Darrell 48 Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1970 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Could some one please explain the meaning of Hebrews 12:16-17 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoda Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/27/1943 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Hebrews 12:16-17 New International Version (NIV) 16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. 17 Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. Even though he sought the blessing with tears, he could not change what he had done. I agree that these verses are problematic in that they seem to suggest even sincere repentance is useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell 48 Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1970 Author Share Posted May 28, 2019 The fear I have is their is no hope and we may be forsaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell 48 Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1970 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 But it was said that he will give us over to a debased mind if we do not repent, if one keeps returning to their sin. So I guess what I am asking is how dose one know hat they have reached that point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 237 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,773 Content Per Day: 3.24 Reputation: 4,725 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Darrell 48 said: Could some one please explain the meaning of Hebrews 12:16-17 thank you Hi Darrell 48. The main thought in these verses is simply the penalty for sin as a consequence of it. Esau was a profane person who placed little value on his birthright until after he lost it. Then came the tears, but they were not tears of repentance but for his loss, and thus his penalty was irreversible. This is only a problem for those who willfully cast away God's grace, despising it altogether until they realise their punishment...but too late. Now is the time, while it is still called Today, harden not your heart, but yield to the will of God. Heb 3:12-19 (12) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (13) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. (14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; (15) While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. (16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. (17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? (18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? (19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.92 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Michael37 said: Hi Darrell 48. The main thought in these verses is simply the penalty for sin as a consequence of it. Esau was a profane person who placed little value on his birthright until after he lost it. Then came the tears, but they were not tears of repentance but for his loss, and thus his penalty was irreversible. This is only a problem for those who willfully cast away God's grace, despising it altogether until they realise their punishment...but too late. Now is the time, while it is still called Today, harden not your heart, but yield to the will of God. Heb 3:12-19 (12) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (13) But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. (14) For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; (15) While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. (16) For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. (17) But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? (18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? (19) So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. The modern day equivalent is those today who will not enter the “ land of rest” that God has promised to give to those who will believe His Gospel.The ancient Hebrews did not believe the Promise of God .They could have rested had they believed .Today is NO different. Are you blind to the parallel? Believe the Gospel and rest in it as God demands or you are being “ disobedient and in unbelief”—- JUST LIKE the Hebrews.They never trusted God and therefore never rested, as God had said.They all died prematurely in the dessert .I am not sure what the modern day equivalent of that punishment is, but you will receive it if you do not rest in the Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4. People prattle on in here about “ this is a sin and that is a sin”, usually something God is not that=concerned about, and ignore the weightier matters like UNBELIEF.....THAT is something God takes VERY, VERY seriously . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2019 You seem concerned about this. If you were beyond God's salvation you would be so hardened you wouldn't care. As long as you care the Holy Spirit is calling you. Tell God that you keep blowing it and can't live the Christian life as He demands. God is waiting for you to realize this and ask for His help. Give you life to Him to make you what He wants you to be. Then follow Him as your Lord and Master, continually asking for Him to live in you and through you. Put off your old self and put on Christ. Ask Him to use your hands and feet, you mouth and to fill your heart with His love and forgiveness, and be a blessing to others. Pray often and read the word daily. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell 48 Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/11/1970 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 I am learning so thanks first to God for his grace and mercy, second to you all for your informed insight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 237 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,773 Content Per Day: 3.24 Reputation: 4,725 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted May 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, Darrell 48 said: I am learning so thanks first to God for his grace and mercy, second to you all for your informed insight. You're welcome. It was a very intelligent question that you asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted May 29, 2019 17 hours ago, Darrell 48 said: Could some one please explain the meaning of Hebrews 12:16-17 thank you Off the top of my head, these two verses suggest to me that decisions we make have consequences. You can't commit a selfish act and then pretend it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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