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Just now, simplejeff said:

I think your getting off topic on purpose.    

Reading Scripture,  God's Word,  you can find out how many will be saved,  and how many will perish,  as God Says Clearly.

No, I am not getting off topic. I am teaching you the Lord's purpose.

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10 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Does he create us knowing he can lead us to heaven, even if it means much discipline along the way, or is it his intention that most of us spend eternity in hell?

I recommend fully and with great seriousness that no one remain with that group of "most of us spend eternity....."  .....

Escape God's Judgment if God Permits,  anyone in that group.

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1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said:

No, I am not getting off topic. I am teaching you the Lord's purpose.

Since it looks like, repeatedly,  you distract from God's Word,  apparently opposed to God's Plan for Life and God's Purpose, 

how could you teach anyone the Lord's purpose ?

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3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

I recommend fully and with great seriousness that no one remain with that group of "most of us spend eternity....."  .....

Escape God's Judgment if God Permits,  anyone in that group.

Repent of our sin and I think we find the gate to heaven open, even as we sit here at our computers arguing with one another.

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3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Since it looks like, repeatedly,  you distract from God's Word,  apparently opposed to God's Plan for Life and God's Purpose, 

how could you teach anyone the Lord's purpose ?

Are you developing a personal relationship with the Lord. Do you pray constantly, as Paul taught us (1 Thess 5:17)?

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8 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Repent of our sin and I think we find the gate to heaven open, even as we sit here at our computers arguing with one another.

I'm only allowed to tell you what God and His Word Says.    I won't argue with you - you don't have enough support in anything.

Esau tried to repent,  with tears,   yet could not .....

Others seem to repent of their sin,   yet never see the kingdom of heaven ......

So don't assume (based on what you know or think you know) that the gate to heaven is open,  yet.

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1 minute ago, simplejeff said:

I'm only allowed to tell you what God and His Word Says.    I won't argue with you - you don't have enough support in anything.

Esau tried to repent,  with tears,   yet could not .....

Others seem to repent of their sin,   yet never see the kingdom of heaven ......

So don't assume (based on what you know or think you know) that the gate to heaven is open,  yet.

Four paragraphs - you're over the limit.

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1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

I have to stop you way up where you said, "regardless how or why God says man is to rule over his wife." I believe it was Paul who said that. I don't remember the Lord saying that.

The Lord wrote all of the Bible using men like Paul.  Read John 1:1

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14 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Four paragraphs - you're over the limit.

There's not enough books to hold all that Yahuweh has Granted,  let alone four paragraphs.

You cannot limit God nor can you determine God's limits at all.

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3 hours ago, NickyLouse said:

ALL people are evil.

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

Not according to Jesus, there are good people and evil people, a good person can never truly be evil and an evil person can never truly be good.  That is why Jesus tells us to look at people's actions, if you want to know if they are really good people, or evil people pretending to be good.

 

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

There is a difference between being a sinner in the flesh, and being evil.

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