Who me Posted June 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,272 Content Per Day: 1.73 Reputation: 1,677 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I stumbled across this the other day....though it might be useful in this discussion .... If you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Mat 6:14-15) This is one of the most-quoted passages in the Bible and it is vintage law. It is a killer scripture. It is not good news. This verse should make us shudder for it says that our forgiveness hinges on our ability to forgive others and we are poor forgivers indeed. Men sin against us repeatedly. Have we honestly forgiven them all? What if we miss one? And what do we say to those who have been raped and abused? What do you say to a young child who has been molested? “Sweetie, you need to forgive that evil man otherwise God won’t forgive you.” That’s not grace. That’s the condemning ministry of the law in full bloom. How do you forgive the unforgiveable? You can’t! Then you’re in trouble. The law condemns you as an unforgiver. Now you’re beginning to recognize your need for grace and this is a good thing. under grace , we are already forgiven.....our new motive to forgive is because God has forgiven wretches like us, why should we not forgive others? And so you make forgiveness a work required so one can be saved. As Luke17:2-4 say if they repent forgive them. Our example is God. Where in the bible does ne forgive when there is No repentance? If they say sorry then Yes we Must forgive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted June 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,602 Content Per Day: 4.02 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 5, 2019 It is God's Grace that brings us to a 'place of repentance'. Not our will. You have to continually forgive because it is good for YOUR well being. It matters not at the offence, just do it because you are required to by the Lord. You do not have to 'feel' forgiving - it is NOT a feeling but an act of faith. Just forgive and get over it - for your sake AND to allow our Father to bring people to 'a place of repentance' unhindered by our bitterness and unforgiveness. Just do it is all we are commanded to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted June 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2019 On 6/5/2019 at 1:28 AM, Blood Bought 1953 said: How do you forgive the unforgiveable? You can’t! Then you’re in trouble. The law condemns you as an unforgiver. Now you’re beginning to recognize your need for grace and this is a good thing. under grace , we are already forgiven.....our new motive to forgive is because God has forgiven wretches like us, why should we not forgive others? I agree. We can't forgive as long as we consider ourselves more righteous than the perpetrator of abuse or murder.. We need to realize how ugly our own sin is. We also must realize that what we cannot do in our own strength, Christ in us can do and has done. He hung on a cross forgiving those who were torturing him to death. He hung there to take our punishment and forgive us, including the perpetrator. Christ in us can and does forgive them whether or not if they want or receive it. We need to ask that He make us a conduit of His grace, His love and His forgiveness. Only then do we come close to comprehending the heights and depths of His love. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted June 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.91 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2019 Isn’t it strange how when we live as if we are under Grace, instead of under Law, things just kind of flow naturally?If somebody severely wronged me or my family, I would not hesitate to forgive them if I saw they were sincerely contrite and heart- broken about what they did.How much better than Law, which compels you to forgive even when your heart isn’t in because you fear your Eternal Fate depends on your ability to let bygones be bygones .I think many pretend to forgive because they can’t face the alternative.They use their will power out of fear instead of forgiving from their hearts......and God Only looks upon the heart. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted June 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,010 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,206 Content Per Day: 1.79 Reputation: 16,282 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2019 On 6/4/2019 at 11:58 AM, Ryan2203 said: 14 “For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.” -Matthew 6:14-15 How can someone forgive a person that murdered one of their loved ones? We must forgive because this is what the Lord Jesus teaches us to do. Do we really believe what He says? Then we must forgive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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