Days of great tribulation

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, iamlamad said:

Have you never read the book of Maccabees? I assure you, many died during those days. There were unspeakable and despicable things down to Israel then. 

In case you missed it, Antiochus became a TYPE of the Antichrist Beast in Revelation.  

Ive read Maccabees and the antiquities of the jews.

I dont follow the blind Pharisees whos interpretations these belong.If you wish to believe as the pharisees and that God lives in the building those pharisees occupied you go right ahead.

By the way,watch out for pig.Im sure someome will slaughter one today .Those things are thought to cause great tribulation by some.

[iamlamad]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Ive read Maccabees and the antiquities of the jews.

I dont follow the blind Pharisees whos interpretations these belong.If you wish to believe as the pharisees and that God lives in the building those pharisees occupied you go right ahead.

By the way,watch out for pig.Im sure someome will slaughter one today .Those things are thought to cause great tribulation by some.

Macabees is a book of history: do you not believe it? Perhaps then you could read Josephus.  Please tell me you don't copy the ostrich when history is presented!

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

For starters. God SHORTENS NOTHING He has decreed the Days of Trouble as being 1260 days by my take, or half of the 70th week. Jesus stated those days will be shortened, which only means Jesus/God has predetermined the number of days BEFORE they made their original plans, they are all knowing, they don't have to change their plans !! This drives me batty that people go down this rabbit hole. Jesus' 2nd Coming will SHORTEN the Days of Troubles to 1260 days, IF Jesus decided to return 3 or 4 years later, no man/men would be left on earth. He is not going to SHORTEN His plan. His PLAN is going to shorten the TROUBLES.

By not understanding the timing of the Seals you have no shot brother at getting the timing of the Abomination of Desolation correct in juxtaposition to the book of Revelation {BoR}. The first Six Seals are all opened instantaneously one after the other, the first four seals are the Anti-Christ and his 42 months of terror on mankind, the 5th seal shows the barbaric results of those 42 months on the Faithful, and the Sixth Seal is God's Supernatural Announcement that Judgment is on the way, all Six Seals are opened at once basically, because the First 5 are showing what the reign of the Anti-Christ will bring forth, the Sixth Seal thus is opened at on the 1260, just like the other 5 are opened on the 1260, when the Children of Israel are DEFEATED/Conquered or lose their Power. 

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So from the time the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, there will be a time, times and half and Rev. 12 says this time, times and half once like that and once via the number 1260, so we know it is 1260 days from the time Israel/Jerusalem is conquered until the Second Coming of Jesus ends all these things/wonders. 

 The Fleeing begins 30 days before the First Seal is opened, the Abomination of Desolation is a SIGN to the Jews who have Repented to Flee Judea, because the Beast will Conquer Jerusalem in 30 days. Thus you have 30 days to make it to the Petra/Bozrah area of protection before the Anti-Christ is RELEASED by my {God's} First Seal. It always bugged me to think God would allow the Anti-Christ to Conquer Jerusalem, then tell them to Flee, God's planing is much better than ours of course, and thus why wait until Jerusalem/Jews are Conquered to give a sign. That is when I saw in Daniel 12 it was us humans misreading the timing of the signs, God's plan was perfect, it gave the Jews who REPENTED, thus believed Jesus' words/warning, 30 days to Flee Judea.

Just like the 1260 days is a set number of days from the day the Jews are Conquered until the Second Coming ends these wonders, verse 11 says the same thing about the AoD, but Jesus {Man in Linen} says it will be 1290 days until all these wonders cease {Second Coming}, we know this because in verse 8 Daniel asks when will these things end ? Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

So if the Daily is taken away 30 Days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem, and the Abomination is placed in the Temple at the same time, who allows this ? Well the High Priest {False Prophet} does, hes incensed that 1/3 of the Jews have accepted Jesus Christ {like Malachi 4:5 says will happen BEFORE the DOTL/Midway point} and thus he stops the Worshiping of Jesus in the Temple of God, REMEMBER, Daniel sees the Daily as a PRAYER unto God, an Oblation or Tribute unto God, if a Meat Sacrifice can be offered that's all good, but the tribute or acknowledgment of God is the main thing to God, He desires obedience OVER sacrifice. Well Daniel is just giving us what Gabriel is relaying unto him, the DAILY that will be taken away is/was a Sacrifice, it will be the False Prophet barring the worshipping of Jesus Christ in the Temple of God !! Amen, if the Jews have repented, they will be serving Jesus Christ, at least 1/3 will, the 2/3 who refuse are probably atheistic anyway, worldly people or some intrinsic  {in the Law} Jews like the False Prophet. 

Dan. 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

 

We know the False Prophet places the Image of the Beast in the Temple of God. 

Rev. 13:13 And he {False Prophet} doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The False Prophet defiles the Temple, by stopping the worship of Jesus and by placing an Image of the E.U. President in the Temple. The False Prophet is like unto Jason who under Antiochus Epiphanes tried to get the Jews to Hellenize themselves or become like unto the Greeks/THE WORLD in other words.

So the Jews REPENT BEFORE the Day of the Lord {First Seal is opened}, and thus it matches Malachi 4:5 that says Elijah will be sent to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the Great and TERRIBLE Day of the Lord !! Thus the 1335 is the Two-witnesses, a BLESSING, Amen. It happens 45 days before the 1290 and 75 days before the 1260. 

It is amazing to me how frequently you contradict the written word. God SAID He would shorten the days of GT.  He did NOT say He shortened those days back when He planned the whole thing out.  The truth is, WHEN those days reach their peak, God will THEN shorten them by pouring out the vials of His wrath.  Then the DAYS will continue, but they will not be days of GT.  He is NOT "changing His plans. HIs plans when He caused John to write was that WHEN those days of great tribulation reach their peak, THEN He would shorten them. Matthew wrote, "but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."   That is a future tense verb. Yes, God planned long ago that He would do it, and when the time comes, He WILL do it. By pouring out the vials of His wrath, He will effectively make it impossible for the armies of the Beast to continue their regime of murder. Sorry, out of time.

Edited June 11, 2019 by iamlamad

[Shilohsfoal]

21 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Macabees is a book of history: do you not believe it? Perhaps then you could read Josephus.  Please tell me you don't copy the ostrich when history is presented!

Not quite a book of history.When you take a scripture and say it means this or that then you are applying your interpretation to that scripture.Thats what the pharisees did with maccabees.They gave thier interpretation.

Jesus did not adhere to thier interpretation.Why do you?

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is amazing to me how frequently you contradict the written word. God SAID He would shorten the days of GT.  He did NOT say He shortened those days back when He planed the whole thing out.  The truth is, WHEN those days reach their peak, God will THEN shorten them by pouring out the vials of His wrath.  Then the DAYS will continue, but they will not be days of GT.  He is NOT "changing His plans. HIs plans when He caused John to write was that WHEN those days of great tribulation reach their peak, THEN He would shorten them. Matthew wrote, "but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."   That is a future tense verb. Yes, God planned long ago that He would do it, and when the time comes, He WILL do it. By pouring out the vials of His wrath, He will effectively make it impossible for the armies of the Beast to continue their regime of murder. Sorry, out of time.

What's amazing is you don't grasp the word of God. The translation or the KJV seems to trip you up. Then you also fail to use logic. You thinking God has to change His original plans boggles my mind brother. God DESIGNS EVERYTHING in Revelation, WITH REASON, around two 1260 Day Periods, and you think God Shortens it, thereby throwing out of whack all his signals unto us. It obvious what was meant, Jesus by returning will SHORTEN the Troubles that the Anti-Christ is bringing upon all mankind, by killing him, and delivering the Jews in Petra/Bozrah. If what you were saying is true, why didn't God just plan the timing right to start with ? He knows all things ? It make no sense that God would make plans then SHORTEN THEM !! God Shortens the troubles by killing the Anti-Christ before he would die if God/Jesus didn't intervene. You are kind of like Douggg who used to be on this site, once he gets something in his head, it is not ever going to change. Well, that stops God from correcting us, and we all need His guidance. 

The Troubles don't stop, the Jews are in Petra hiding from the Beast for 1260 Days.

Nothing you put forth ever fits the rest of the bible brother, everything has to fit together. God Bless. 

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Revelation Man

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

For starters. God SHORTENS NOTHING He has decreed the Days of Trouble as being 1260 days by my take, or half of the 70th week. Jesus stated those days will be shortened, which only means Jesus/God has predetermined the number of days BEFORE they made their original plans, they are all knowing, they don't have to change their plans !! This drives me batty that people go down this rabbit hole. Jesus' 2nd Coming will SHORTEN the Days of Troubles to 1260 days, IF Jesus decided to return 3 or 4 years later, no man/men would be left on earth. He is not going to SHORTEN His plan. His PLAN is going to shorten the TROUBLES.

The truth is not a rabbit hole, except for those that think it is.  It is NOT Jesus' coming that shortens the days! It is the pouring out of the vials late in the last half of the week.  The week has been established as two 1260 day periods (2520 days) since John wrote it, and has been established as time, times and half of time (really the same period of time) ever since Daniel wrote it. Anyway is never was the WEEK that was to be shortened; it was the number of days during the last half of the week that would be days of GT. It could have been the full 42 months of authority given to the Beast, but God shortened the number of days DURING those 42 months where GT was taking place. The days of the 42 months will continue on, but no one will be hunted down and killed: the armies of the Beast will be sitting in the dark, gnawing their tongues in pain, wondering what will happen next. 

What you missed: the 1260th day will come, but JESUS remains in heaven. If Jesus came on the 1260th day then all would know the day of His coming. We both know that NO ONE will know. Just so you will know, the week ends at the 7th vial in chapter 16, but Jesus does not return until after the events of chapters 17 & 18. His coming is in chapter 19.

[Revelation Man]

42 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

The truth is not a rabbit hole, except for those that think it is.  It is NOT Jesus' coming that shortens the days! It is the pouring out of the vials late in the last half of the week.  The week has been established as two 1260 day periods (2520 days) since John wrote it, and has been established as time, times and half of time (really the same period of time) ever since Daniel wrote it. Anyway is never was the WEEK that was to be shortened; it was the number of days during the last half of the week that would be days of GT. It could have been the full 42 months of authority given to the Beast, but God shortened the number of days DURING those 42 months where GT was taking place. The days of the 42 months will continue on, but no one will be hunted down and killed: the armies of the Beast will be sitting in the dark, gnawing their tongues in pain, wondering what will happen next. 

What you missed: the 1260th day will come, but JESUS remains in heaven. If Jesus came on the 1260th day then all would know the day of His coming. We both know that NO ONE will know. Just so you will know, the week ends at the 7th vial in chapter 16, but Jesus does not return until after the events of chapters 17 & 18. His coming is in chapter 19.

That is just not the case, Jesus halts the Anti-Christs NATURAL ORDER of events via his Supernatural Return. The Woman {Israel} stays in hiding for 1260 days. The Troubles thus last for 1260 days. The 7th Vial ends the Beasts reign on the 1260 day of his reign. You break the law of Ocamms Razor with every post, you make things tat are simply, convoluted. 

All will know when he comes, they will not know the day of the Pre Trib Rapture. 

Rev. 17 and 18 are Parenthetical Citations, they both start at the Mid-way point with the opening of the First Seal, chapter 17 is the Harlot getting judged by the 10 Kings & the Beast, they kill of all Religions thus All False Religions are JUDGED. Rev. 18 is Babylon {The Whole World} getting Judged by God via the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. 

He comes in Rev. 16, IT IS DONE, Jesus lads on Mt. Zion. You will never get it until you get the Chronological Order of the BoR right. 

 

Rev. 6, 7, 8, 9, 15&16 is the order of ALL of the last 1260 days of the 70th Week. Rev. 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19 are not a part of the Chronology per se. Chapters, 12, 13, 17, and 18 all start with the First Seal/Anti-Christ being released. Rev. 14 and 19 both cover the full 7 year period. Rev. 14 shows the Rapture in verse 14, and the Wheat {Israel} and the Wicked Tares in the Winepress,  growing together until the end where Jesus lands on Mt. Zion, saves the Jews {144,000 is Millions of Jews} and DESTROYS the Wicked at Armageddon. 

Rev.  is the Pre Trib Raptured Church Marrying Jesus, the RETURNING with him to Armageddon, it covers the full 7 years.

Rev. 11 is about the Two-witnesses Ministry/1260 days of witnessing. NOTHING ELSE, They show up BEFORE the Beast comes to power and thus DIE BEFORE he dies....they die at the 2nd Woe, the Beast dies at the 7th Vial. The Two-witnesses turn the Jews who repent back unto God.

So you don't get the order of the BoR brother. You actually think Rev. 17 and 18 are REAL TIME EVENTS....they are not. 

Edited June 11, 2019 by Revelation Man

[iamlamad]

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

By not understanding the timing of the Seals you have no shot brother at getting the timing of the Abomination of Desolation correct in juxtaposition to the book of Revelation {BoR}. The first Six Seals are all opened instantaneously one after the other, the first four seals are the Anti-Christ and his 42 months of terror on mankind, the 5th seal shows the barbaric results of those 42 months on the Faithful, and the Sixth Seal is God's Supernatural Announcement that Judgment is on the way, all Six Seals are opened at once basically, because the First 5 are showing what the reign of the Anti-Christ will bring forth, the Sixth Seal thus is opened at on the 1260, just like the other 5 are opened on the 1260, when the Children of Israel are DEFEATED/Conquered or lose their Power. 

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So from the time the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, there will be a time, times and half and Rev. 12 says this time, times and half once like that and once via the number 1260, so we know it is 1260 days from the time Israel/Jerusalem is conquered until the Second Coming of Jesus ends all these things/wonders.  

Wow! just WOW. You are here to teach others when you need to be taught. 

Get this straight once and for all: in Rev. 5 John wrote that Jesus suddenly appeared in the throne room and then sent the Holy Spirit down. You KNOW that Jesus send the Holy Spirit down around 32 AD but you just can't believe that is what John wrote here and why he wrote it. That is because you can't believe in chapter 4 that Jesus was not in the throne room because John was seeing a vision of the past. You can't believe John when he told of a search for one worthy to open that book and "no man was found." You can't seem to understand the reason why "no man was found" is because of TIMING: Jesus had not yet risen from dead in the timing inside the vision. You can't seem to believe that time passed, Jesus rose from the dead and was THEN found worthy. You can't seem to understand this was a vision of the past for John.

It WAS a vision in John's past. God is painting us a picture of the time just before He rose from the dead - TO the time He rose from the dead - and then the time He sent Mary away, ascended into the throne room, took the book from the Father and began opening the seals. 

The truth is, by not understanding the timing of the first 5 seals, your theories are out of whack for the rest of the book!  While John is in the church age, you imagine it is future to us! You are over 2000 years off. 

The first Six Seals are all opened instantaneously one after the other  There is no way you can prove this by scripture. It is your imagination.  As time goes on and you reveal more and more of your theories, I find you get farther and farther from the intent of the Author.

the first four seals are the Anti-Christ  How strange when John does not even see the Antichrist rise up until chapter 13!  Of course your theory is impossible when one considers the actual scriptures.  I guess you just blew over 6:8: you lump all four togther while John puts only 2, 3, and 4 together. Don't take my word for it: go back and read it:  THESE THREE ride together: the one with the  sword, the one with hunger, and the one titled death. AGain you are miles off in your theory.

Get this straight once and for all: don't write this nonsense again: LEARN: 

13:⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

LEARN! This is where the 42 month countdown BEGINS: here in chapter 13, a midpoint chapter.  In other words, his 42 months begins shortly after the midpoint, and goes past the 7th vial that ends the week, to the day Jesus returns, perhaps 30 days AFTER the 7th vial.  Meanwhile the seals are CHURCH AGE. Again I find your theory 2000 years off. And you are here to teach others? 

James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers...

Again, get this straight and learn: 

SEal 1, opened in 32 AD to represent the gospel sent out.

Seal 2

Seal 3

Seal 4 These three riders ride together: the Sword, Famine, and Death. They are to represent the devil's attempts to stop the church. God has limited them to 1/4 of the earth in their theater of operation.  They have failed: the gospel left that 1/4 of the earth in the first thousand years. 

Seal 5 is the martyrs of the church age: they are told they must WAIT....and here we find the first hint of a long wait. So the first seal was opened immediately after Jesus God the book.  Seals 2 through 4 were opened soon after.  Seal  soon after also. Stephen was surely in that group. 

Seal 6 is first the rapture of the church, then the sudden destruction start of the Day of the Lord. The rapture will trigger the Day. 

Once you learn these things, you will be well on your way to understanding the rest of the book. Miss this and you miss much that follows. 

The WEEK (which includes "the tribulation" and the days of great tribulation begins with the 7th seal. The midpoint of the week (the abomination) will be marked by the 7th trumpet. The week will end with the 7th vial Learn this and you know the basic outline of the book.

from the time the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, there will be a time, times and half   NO NO NO! How could anyone mix things up so thoroughly?  EVERY countdown to the end will begin close to the MIDPOINT: the midpoint is proven by John's 5 mentions of the 3.5 year period of time. All five are events that will begin near the midpoint and go to the end of the week - except the 42 months of authority that will go past the end of the week. Did you not see in Daniel 12 the starting point? It is the abomination and the cessation of the daily sacrifices. 

we know it is 1260 days from the time Israel/Jerusalem is conquered until the Second Coming of Jesus ends all these things/wonders.    Did you just not understand it is the 6th vial, LATE in the 70th week, is where the spirits are sent out to call the armies of the world to Israel to fight? In other words, it will be near the END of the 1260 days when Jerusalem will be attacked. 

The two witnesses show up just 3.5 days before the midpoint of the week. They testify for 1260 days  - which takes them to 3.5 days before the end of the week. They are killed and lay dead for those 3.5 days. They are resurrected on the last day or the 1260th day of the week - at the 7th vial. This is ONE mention in the bible of 1260 days. It has nothing to do with Israel being conquered. 

When the man of sin enters the temple, and declares he is God, the daily sacrifices will cease. It will be the abomination event Jesus spoke of. Jesus said, when people SEE that abomination event, they are to flee. We see this fleeing for 1260 days in 12:6. Again the second mention of 1260 days and again NOTHING about Jerusalem being conquered. Therefore I find you are miles off from the truth again. It seems you just imagine things and then insist they are truth. 

Again, Jesus does NOT COME on the 1260th day.  the last day of the week will be at the 7th vial in chapter 16. jesus does not return until chapter 19. 

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So from the time the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, there will be a time, times and half and Rev. 12 says this time, times and half once like that and once via the number 1260, so we know it is 1260 days from the time Israel/Jerusalem is conquered until the Second Coming of Jesus ends all these things/wonders.  

Unless you can find scripture for the conquering of Jerusalem WITH the scriptures of the 1260 days, this is only MYTH. 

Do you just not understand the week ends at the 7th vial (IT IS DONE) and then EVENTS happen as shown in chapters 17 & 18. then the marriage and supper will take place IN HEAVEN - all before Jesus returns. 

Will you REWRITE the book to fit your theory?

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 The Fleeing begins 30 days before the First Seal is opened, the Abomination of Desolation is a SIGN to the Jews who have Repented to Flee Judea, because the Beast will Conquer Jerusalem in 30 days. Thus you have 30 days to make it to the Petra/Bozrah area of protection before the Anti-Christ is RELEASED by my {God's} First Seal. It always bugged me to think God would allow the Anti-Christ to Conquer Jerusalem, then tell them to Flee, God's planing is much better than ours of course, and thus why wait until Jerusalem/Jews are Conquered to give a sign. That is when I saw in Daniel 12 it was us humans misreading the timing of the signs, God's plan was perfect, it gave the Jews who REPENTED, thus believed Jesus' words/warning, 30 days to Flee Judea.

The Fleeing begins 30 days before the First Seal is opened  I cannot stand it: all you write is MYTH: things so far removed from scripture it is a waste of time to answer. 

Remember: James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers

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