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Does “Counted Worthy to Escape” Prove the Pretrib. Rapture?

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Luke 21:36 KJV – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The argument revolves around declaring that the word for ESCAPE is the Greek word “ekpheugo”, and that it is a verb in the active voice – meaning that escape is something that we do, as opposed to something we participate in.

While ekpheugo is indeed a verb, a review of Vine’s does not attribute the word to an active or passive tense.  This is important as it does denote this for other forms of the word “escape”.

In other words, ekpheugo is not “escaping by your own efforts” – it is “participating in an escape by the efforts of another”.

However, ekpheugo is used to denote flee in several scriptures worth noting:

Heb. 12:25 KJV – See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Acts 16:27 KJV –  And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

Acts 19:16 KJV – And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

In all three, we see that fleeing or flight is based on the efforts of another to open the door or clear the way.  We simply have to avail ourselves of the efforts made by another.

In the case of Luke 21:36 – it is the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that actually makes the way of escape, or the way of flight be4 it happens.

At the second coming of Christ to rule the earth there is no need to be counted worthy to escape from anything because antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace  and the Millennium will start.

The escape comes BEFORE the things that are ABOUT to occur.

The 7 Seal, 7 Trumpets, 7 Vials, God wanted to wipe off evil people from the earth.

If you die as martyr would God need to count you worthy or not ?

 

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Nope, lol. It is an interesting passage though. Notice, that people do not like Matthew 24 at times. Since is seems to present the second coming of Christ, without any mention of a coming before the great tribulation is describes.

Notice that Jesus is telling them to pray to that effect, to pray about things in the coming tribulation. Who is that for, who will be there during that time, that they need to escape.

I know that some people think that that passage is directed to the elect, and they consider the elect here, to be Jews. Why not assume, that the elect are all the people chosen by God, Jews and Gentiles, after all, that was supposes to be something Jew should understand, that from them would come a light to the Gentiles.

Ever looked at the Greek and notice that it can also be translated., 

"Pray that you have the strength to flee"?

That goes well with the rest of the context, that speaks about how hard it will be to get away in winter, or to leave on a sabbath, or how encumbered pregnant women and nursing mothers will be.

 

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1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

https://tribulationrisingcom.fatcow.com/does-pray-you-are-counted-worthy-to-escape-show-the-rapture/

SUMMARY :

Luke 21:36 KJV – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The argument revolves around declaring that the word for ESCAPE is the Greek word “ekpheugo”, and that it is a verb in the active voice – meaning that escape is something that we do, as opposed to something we participate in.

While ekpheugo is indeed a verb, a review of Vine’s does not attribute the word to an active or passive tense.  This is important as it does denote this for other forms of the word “escape”.

In other words, ekpheugo is not “escaping by your own efforts” – it is “participating in an escape by the efforts of another”.

 

The escape comes BEFORE the things that are ABOUT to occur.

However, ekpheugo is used to denote flee in several scriptures worth noting:

Heb. 12:25 KJV – See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Acts 16:27 KJV –  And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

Acts 19:16 KJV – And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

In all three, we see that fleeing or flight is based on the efforts of another to open the door or clear the way.  We simply have to avail ourselves of the efforts made by another.

In the case of Luke 21:36 – it is the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that actually makes the way of escape, or the way of flight be4 it happens.

 

 

 

 

I think it is a second coming verse. 

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1 hour ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Nope, lol. It is an interesting passage though. Notice, that people do not like Matthew 24 at times. Since is seems to present the second coming of Christ, without any mention of a coming before the great tribulation is describes.

Notice that Jesus is telling them to pray to that effect, to pray about things in the coming tribulation. Who is that for, who will be there during that time, that they need to escape.

I know that some people think that that passage is directed to the elect, and they consider the elect here, to be Jews. Why not assume, that the elect are all the people chosen by God, Jews and Gentiles, after all, that was supposes to be something Jew should understand, that from them would come a light to the Gentiles.

Ever looked at the Greek and notice that it can also be translated., 

"Pray that you have the strength to flee"?

That goes well with the rest of the context, that speaks about how hard it will be to get away in winter, or to leave on a sabbath, or how encumbered pregnant women and nursing mothers will be.

 

Imho the "counted worthy to escape" refer to this :

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

While at the AOD people, worthy or not worthy will run on their own "luck" to make the exodus out of Israel.

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I think it is a second coming verse. 

Yay, I agree with missmuffet, but where we disdagree, is that there is a significant separation in time, between the rapture, Jesus coming for the church, and the second coming, WITH the church.

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9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I think it is a second coming verse. 

At the second coming of Christ to rule the earth there is no need to be counted worthy to escape from anything because antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace  and the Millennium will start.

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1 minute ago, R. Hartono said:

At the second coming of Christ to rule the earth there is no need to be counted worthy to escape from anything because antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace  and the Millennium will start.

There will be a handful of Christians left on the earth at the end of the 7 year tribulation. I don't know how they will survive. All those who took the MOB will not go into the Millennium. Only believers. 

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2 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

At the second coming of Christ to rule the earth there is no need to be counted worthy to escape from anything because antichrist is dead, the world returns to peace  and the Millennium will start.

Well, the context is, never the less, that it is the escape of all these things. What things? The things that came before the "immediately after the tribulation of those days".

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Just now, missmuffet said:

There will be a handful of Christians left on the earth at the end of the 7 year tribulation. I don't know how they will survive. All those who took the MOB will not go into the Millennium. Only believers. 

Well, perhaps, "if those days had not been cut short, no flesh would survive, but for the sake of the elect"

 

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