OldCoot Posted June 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) On 6/23/2019 at 5:08 PM, JLB said: Those Christians who practice the works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NKJV) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 (NKJV) It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father's wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Paul never questioned the man's positional relationship to Yeshua. Paul advocated disfellowship with the man due to his continual living in sin, but never questioned his redemption as some seem to be doing in this thread. Either one is redeemed, bought and paid for by Yeshua, or they are not. And all those that are redeemed are going on the train ride out of here. It is a gift of Yahweh. The redemption cannot be merited or maintained by the person or it never was grace. To suggest such is saying that grace is not unmerited favor and impugning the very Word of Yahweh. And Yahweh holds His Word even higher than His Name. He is the one true God who delights in making and keeping His promises. There are rewards for faithful service, and some will just make it in and have zero rewards, but they do make it in. They may not reign with Messiah, but they will live with Messiah. All the redeemed are of the body of Messiah.... 2 Timothy 2:13 (NKJV) If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. Edited June 25, 2019 by OldCoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 7:45 PM, Cletus said: The Book says the death of His saints is precious in His sight. When we become a martyr that is the ultimate sacrifice we can do as being a living sacrifice. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. Lord Jesus will gather the saints alive (the wise virgins) Mark 13:27 And He will send His angels and gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Cletus said: that is so right, on the last day, just like Jesus said it 4 times inside of 16 verses in John. Why would Jesus need to gather the elect on the last day after the Tribulation is over antichrist is dead n the world returns to peace ? To escape from what ? Edited June 27, 2019 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted June 27, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 3:08 PM, JLB said: Yes, the thief on the cross and people who call upon the Lord at the moment of death, are examples of the exception, not the rule of everyday life. Did you read what Paul wrote? of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 These are not dead bed conversions, but Paul has warned once and was now warning them again...that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those Christians who practice the works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God. Please don’t think for a moment, that we as born again Christians, who practice unrighteousness are somehow righteous. Learn to walk according to the Spirit, and practice the truth , practice righteousness, practice loving God and loving your neighbor. This is the lifestyle of righteousness. JLB BE NOT DECIEVED , GOD IS NOT MOCKED . He who sows to the flesh shall reap corruption , he who sows to the SPRIIT , life everlasting . FOLKS , GOD WONT BE MOCKED . AND JESUS is not the minister of sin either . Hyper grace killed all hope for those who believe it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, R. Hartono said: Why would Jesus need to gather the elect on the last day after the Tribulation is over antichrist is dead n the world returns to peace ? To escape from what ? To escape the wrath of GOD . the saints will undergo the tribulation the beast sets against them . But we wont go under GODS wrath against the beast and all that followed the beast . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.89 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: BE NOT DECIEVED , GOD IS NOT MOCKED . He who sows to the flesh shall reap corruption , he who sows to the SPRIIT , life everlasting . FOLKS , GOD WONT BE MOCKED . AND JESUS is not the minister of sin either . Hyper grace killed all hope for those who believe it . At the risk of sounding like a broken record, it’s SUPER hyper-Grace that saved this wretch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said: To escape the wrath of GOD . the saints will undergo the tribulation the beast sets against them . But we wont go under GODS wrath against the beast and all that followed the beast . Are you saying you will be persecuted by the beast but you wont suffer the wrath of God poured down to the world ? That 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials, you become the prisoner of the beast are safe from God's wrath but those who persecute you in jail suffered from God's wrath, arent you in the same spot which rcvd wrath with them ? Edited June 27, 2019 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 772 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Tampered With said: As I read scripture, God seals His own just as He did in Egypt when Death passed over those Jews who had blood on their door posts as God had commanded them to. Even if there is a pre-trib rapture there will be those who are saved during the Tribulation. They will be martyred by the antichrist forces but I agree not by the wrath of God. Wont you drink the same bitter wormwood water ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Why would Jesus need to gather the elect on the last day after the Tribulation is over antichrist is dead n the world returns to peace ? To escape from what ? Jesus gathers His people together at the resurrection and rapture on the last Day, at His coming. JLB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted June 27, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted June 27, 2019 13 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Are you saying you will be persecuted by the beast but you wont suffer the wrath of God poured down to the world ? That 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials, you become the prisoner of the beast are safe from God's wrath but those who persecute you in jail suffered from God's wrath, arent you in the same spot which rcvd wrath with them ? I am saying exactly that . IN this world , BY THIS WORLD ye shall suffer TRIBULATION . BUT we will not suffer the wrath of GOD . The beast comes against SAINTS not AINTS . GOD , HIS WRATH , comes against AINTS , not SAINTS . hopefully that lil saying will help us all REMEMBER THAT WELL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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