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Does “Counted Worthy to Escape” Prove the Pretrib. Rapture?

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On 6/12/2019 at 2:06 AM, R. Hartono said:

It's the Second Coming brother. The Rapture is in verses 36-51, remember, Matthew was not given the understanding so naturally he has it out of order. He thinks it all goes together at the very end. 

Notice, we are gathered from the Four Corners of Heaven, from one end of Heaven to the other. Rev. 19 says we come back with Jesus, which you have cited. 

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22 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

DID the early apostels ever teach once , that those who live godly WILL be KEPT from persecution . OR DID they all say , THOSE WHO LIVE GODLY WILL SUFFER PERSECUTION .

Dear brother, you asked for verses just using the Bible, ...however, may I ask you to answer some questions using your knowledge and wisdom of the Bible?

What was the source of the persecution on the people the early Apostles (and Jesus) were writing to and who persecuted the people the early Apostles (and Jesus) were talking about?

During the seven year Tribulation who's wrath is poured out on the world to persecute it?

Is the source of the persecution the same in both, ...my first question and in the second question?

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6 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

Dear brother, you asked for verses just using the Bible, ...however, may I ask you to answer some questions using your knowledge and wisdom of the Bible?

What was the source of the persecution on the people the early Apostles (and Jesus) were writing to and who persecuted the people the early Apostles (and Jesus) were talking about?

During the seven year Tribulation who's wrath is poured out on the world to persecute it?

Is the source of the persecution the same in both, ...my first question and in the second question?

Means what It says .  Let me be long dead before I begin down this kind of road of reason .     What was written to the early church , every ounce applies to us today .

This man is going out a fundie who loves JESUS and wont budge a dot in the direction of the world . But instead will just point to Christ and use every ounce of doctrine

in the bible .    The anti Christ ,beast will go full out wrath against the saints .   GOD , HIS Wrath will come only against those who worshipped the beast .

And there is no middle ground .   I wont budge , but do be encouraged .  

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On 6/14/2019 at 8:46 PM, simplejeff said:

Note that there are still, and always have been,  "fiery trials" ,  since the first century,  as written....

Suffering,  persecution for all who stand up for the truth,  beatings,  arrests,   humiliating treatment,  scoffing,  belittlement,  accusations,   torture,  execution.

Didnt all suffer by Noah and he was rescued from the jugment of the world ?  So was Lot being taken out of Sodom be4 the judgment was poured.

 

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6 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

What was written to the early church , every ounce applies to us today .

 

The trial is now, not in the Great Tribulation, unless you dont feel it.

1 Pet 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

Until the rapture of the church.

1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

The foolish virgins will yell but God who is about to pour His wrath through the Seals, Trumpets and Vials will not listen.

Matt 25: 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us  12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Those who think they can witness to God in the Great Tribulation may even die earlier in the calamities, wars, famines, murders, plagues, tortures of locusts etc. which God deliberately pour to clean the world from evil people. Do you really think you can escape death when the wrath of the 7 Seals,  7 Trumpets and 7 Vials is poured ? You may not pass the first year.

 

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On 6/12/2019 at 5:48 PM, Cletus said:

These passages show we will go thru the trib, and that its to test or prove us.

If you die as martyr would God still need to count you worthy or not ?

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On 6/15/2019 at 6:28 AM, Tampered With said:

I offered to fight in the IDF and showed my training in the US Army in field artillery, as well as air defense missile systems but to no avail. 

Offer yourself to the Lord.

Luke 21:36 KJV – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

God wanted to clean the earth from wicked unbelievers be4 Jesus Millennium begins.

The 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials will surely cleanse the earth from human.

WILL GOD STILL NEED TO COUNT YOU WORTHY TO ESCAPE IF YOU ARE DESTINED TO DIE AS MARTYRS ?

THE FOOLISH VIRGINS WILL YELL "LORD OPEN TO US" BUT THEY ARE NOT WORTHY and LEFT.

 

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5 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

If you die as martyr would God still need to count you worthy or not ?

The Book says the death of His saints is precious in His sight.  When we become a martyr that is the ultimate sacrifice we can do as being a living sacrifice. 

Mat 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

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11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The trial is now, not in the Great Tribulation, unless you dont feel it.

1 Pet 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

Until the rapture of the church.

1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

The foolish virgins will yell but God who is about to pour His wrath through the Seals, Trumpets and Vials will not listen.

Matt 25: 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us  12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Those who think they can witness to God in the Great Tribulation may even die earlier in the calamities, wars, famines, murders, plagues, tortures of locusts etc. which God deliberately pour to clean the world from evil people. Do you really think you can escape death when the wrath of the 7 Seals,  7 Trumpets and 7 Vials is poured ? You may not pass the first year.

 

Yes the trials are increasing .    But we have not yet seen in the western socities the great trial of all out affliction that is to rise against us .

Wanna know what name it will come through .    This might or might not surprise you .   But in the name of love ,unity , tolerance and peace ,  many of us will be killed

in the days which are to come .    That's right .   And our own churches and other religions and even secular are now being prepared under the banner of all inclusive

to come fully against us in the times and days which are to come .  Folks should never have heeded that rick warren , or many .   But they did , didn't they .

And they getting worse too .      SOON the true lambs will be seen as nothing but a total abomination to even many in Christian churches let all alone

all religions as they merge more and more into a common mindset .   YEAH seeking unity with what we have in common was one heck of a deceit , but it worked

and its working . WELL ,  I say NAY to it all ,    Give me JESUS with all persecutions , rather than this all inclusive god many are coming too . 

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4 hours ago, Cletus said:

The Book says the death of His saints is precious in His sight.  When we become a martyr that is the ultimate sacrifice we can do as being a living sacrifice. 

Mat 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Seems to me , like the lambs are being fully prepared now BY GOD , BY HIS SPIRIT and sound doctrine to know and understand what days we in

and where it is all headed , AND to have no fear of man nor what he can do . IN FACT the true lambs are learning more and more to see persecution as a thing

to REJOICE THROUGH and see it as a blessing .   FOR BLESSED are you when men shall hate you , persecute you , kill you .    LEAP FOR JOY in that day .

YEAH  the LORD is preparing the saints to KNOW and understand we are appointed unto tribulation AND that  agreat  tribulation is to come against us .

SO as none will be caught off unwares and fear , but rather they will steand firm IN and BY the POWER of the LORD .   SINGING and REJOICING no matter what comes

and si to rise against us .   But another spirit has been at work too .   And its a spirit that focuses on US and not ON GOD .

Thus it panders to the kingdom kid mentality .  Instead of teaching ALL whom GOD loves HE chastens and scourges

HECK it teaches a KINGS KID wont have to worry bout nONE OF that .  OH NO , not a kings kid ,  he will escape tribulation . After all a kings kid

Has no need to even think it will go under tribulation .  That tribulation is for those demon like ones , NOT KINGS KIDS .

THEY got it all backwards man .  ALL who live godly in Christ shall suffer persecution and it IS through MUCH TRIBULATION that we enter into the KINGDOM .

Early church did all to build the church up to know and understand that we will suffer at the hands of men and undergo tribulations .

And that all who endure faithful will receive the crown of life .

NOT TODAY ,   THE KINGS KIDS ALREADY THINK THEY GOT THEM CROWNS and That all whom GOD loves will escape the wrath of man .  GOT IT ALL BACKWARDS

DONT THEY .  

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