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Does “Counted Worthy to Escape” Prove the Pretrib. Rapture?

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11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Didnt all suffer by Noah and he was rescued from the jugment of the world ?  So was Lot being taken out of Sodom be4 the judgment was poured.

 

Which only strengthens the post trib view .  I have been saying all along , WE WONT GO UNDER GOD WRATH .  BUT WE DO go under the wrath of man

and of the beast .  GODS wrath will come SOLEY AGAINST those who are forever damned for they worshiped the beast .

We might wanna really dig back into bibles only and let us leave the thoughts of men far behind . 

For many in the kings kids camp who embrace the idea that we will escape the tribulation of the beast that comes against us

have this mindset .  I want to play a skit out for you .

A post tribber comes along and says ,   that the church will soon all out suffer at the hands of men under the greatest tribulation which will kick off under the beast .

and that many of us will die , but be faithful unto death and they shall reiceve a crown of life .

And the kingdom kids say FAR BE IT , FAR BE IT , that shall not happen unto the Church

WHAT SPIRIT are the kingdom kids of .

WELL lets look at what JESUS said and what peter said .

THE SON OF MAN SHALL SUFFER at the hands of men and be killed .

OH NO LORD   , FAR BE IT , that wont happen unto you .

GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN for you savor the things that be of men and nOT OF GOD .

HE who does not ...............

AKA , WE BETTER FLEE THSE MEN that think the church is not going to all out suffer and many die under this beast

and that this is far from us . THEY SAVOR that which is of men , the easy life , the quick escape and they desire NOT ONCE to have to SUFFER and DIE FOR JESUS .

WE better watch out who we sit under and who we heed .   For many are being coaxed to bed and are being taught exactly the things that be of men .

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4 hours ago, Cletus said:

The Book says the death of His saints is precious in His sight.  When we become a martyr that is the ultimate sacrifice we can do as being a living sacrifice. 

Mat 16:24  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25  For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

The ultimate sacrifice is to follow Him, in life or in death.  To deny our flesh.  Martyrdom is not the ultimate sacrifice.  If one dies of old age, so be it, if one dies from a disease or accident, so be it. Our objective is to be One in Christ.  Our manner of death has nothing to do with Salvation.  One jumping into a lake and saving a person and then dying by this act is not martyrdom, but sacrificing himself.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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14 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

WE BETTER FLEE THSE MEN that think the church is not going to all out suffer and many die under this beast

and that this is far from us . THEY SAVOR that which is of men , the easy life , the quick escape and they desire NOT ONCE to have to SUFFER and DIE FOR JESUS .

WE better watch out who we sit under and who we heed .   For many are being coaxed to bed and are being taught exactly the things that be of men .

90 percent or more of all Believers in Christ, the Church, upon their death in the past have already missed this future time where the A/C, False Prophet and the Satan rule.  Why this division in Christs Body. 90 percent of the Bride already have escaped this future time of intense tribulations.  Yet the other 10 percent must go through it.  The Bride is ONE, not two.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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11 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

90 percent or more of all Believers in Christ, the Church, upon their death in the past have already missed this future time where the A/C, False Prophet and the Satan rule.  Why this division in Christs Body. 90 percent of the Bride already have escaped this future time of intense tribulations.  Yet the other 10 percent must go through it.  The Bride is ONE, not two.

In Christ

Montana Marv

And yet all true saints in one form or another has suffered in all ages .  

What is coming is coming and it cannot be stopped .   Many of us will die for Christ in the days ahead .

the special ingredient to prepare the world for ac ,, false prophet ,  HAS already been throwed in ,   ALL INCLUSVIE UNITY for world peace .

Under a fake love , a fake unequally yoked unity the minds of many will only grow darker and darker and darker till their hatred builds so against us

it turns to murder under the beast .     And by the looks of things ,   WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME before this really does kick off .

The world , false christains , all religions , even secular WILL FIND COMMON GROUND and it wont BE CHRIST ,   BUT UNDER ANTI CHRIST who has been spoken off for years .

Yall should see what mindsets are creeping into even so called christains   .   MAN the world and all religions are being made ready for ANTI CHRIST .

AS JOHN once appeared by the Spirit of Elijah and prepared the hearts and minds of the people by preaching repentance , UNTO CHRIST .

SO too does this spirit mirror , for it says good works , BUT IT PREACHES ACCEPTANCE ,    not repentance ,   all minds are now being made ready for THE SON OF PERDTION .

And most think its a spirit of love , of inclusviness , of peace , of good works and coming together ,   BUT  its clever ,   its very clever . IT HAS THEM ALL DECIEVED .

For it has long desired to sit over the whole world and have the world worship it as GOD .   WELL here comes their all inclusive one world one mindset GOD .

ONLY IT WONT BE GOD , IT WILL BE THE DRAGON and the beast unto WHOM the DRAGON GIVES ALL POWER .     But they see this not .    THEY SEE THIS NOT . 

And this SON of pedtion will give them their hearts desires .  FOR they did not want ANY REMINDER of the ONE TRUE GOD and HOLY DOTRINE in their mind

and they did not want ANY WHO sounded those reminders in society . WELL THIS BEAST WILL RAGE WAR AGAINST TEH SAINTS and the deceived WILL LOVE It .  For to them , it will seem as GOD , this all inclusive false love lets join for peace and unity God .

THEY Got no idea what is going on .   This spirit is all over many christain churches and it was big on rick warren and scores of others .

Who do the work of ROME .  lets not kid ourselves .  NO matter if we live or die , WE are HIS ,  so our hope , our end is GOOD .

Get all prepared IN CHRIST and by SOUND DOCTRINE to refuse the error of the wicked and to remain faithful under the tribulation which shall arise .

FOr many will fall .     Endure faithful to the end my friends .  Faithful to the end .   And be encouraged and of GOOD cheer ,

YES we shall have  tribulation in this world , BUT JESUS HAS OVERCOME THE WORLD .     No fear of man or to suffer .   ONLY HOPE IN HIM . 

Who shall supply all we need .     PUT THOSE HANDS UP AND LET ALL PRAISE THE LORD .    .

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11 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And yet all true saints in one form or another has suffered in all ages .  

What is coming is coming and it cannot be stopped .   Many of us will die for Christ in the days ahead .

the special ingredient to prepare the world for ac ,, false prophet ,  HAS already been throwed in ,   ALL INCLUSVIE UNITY for world peace .

Under a fake love , a fake unequally yoked unity the minds of many will only grow darker and darker and darker till their hatred builds so against us

it turns to murder under the beast .     And by the looks of things ,   WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME before this really does kick off .

The world , false christains , all religions , even secular WILL FIND COMMON GROUND and it wont BE CHRIST ,   BUT UNDER ANTI CHRIST who has been spoken off for years .

Yall should see what mindsets are creeping into even so called christains   .   MAN the world and all religions are being made ready for ANTI CHRIST .

AS JOHN once appeared by the Spirit of Elijah and prepared the hearts and minds of the people by preaching repentance , UNTO CHRIST .

SO too does this spirit mirror , for it says good works , BUT IT PREACHES ACCEPTANCE ,    not repentance ,   all minds are now being made ready for THE SON OF PERDTION .

And most think its a spirit of love , of inclusviness , of peace , of good works and coming together ,   BUT  its clever ,   its very clever . IT HAS THEM ALL DECIEVED .

For it has long desired to sit over the whole world and have the world worship it as GOD .   WELL here comes their all inclusive one world one mindset GOD .

ONLY IT WONT BE GOD , IT WILL BE THE DRAGON and the beast unto WHOM the DRAGON GIVES ALL POWER .     But they see this not .    THEY SEE THIS NOT . 

And this SON of pedtion will give them their hearts desires .  FOR they did not want ANY REMINDER of the ONE TRUE GOD and HOLY DOTRINE in their mind

and they did not want ANY WHO sounded those reminders in society . WELL THIS BEAST WILL RAGE WAR AGAINST TEH SAINTS and the deceived WILL LOVE It .  For to them , it will seem as GOD , this all inclusive false love lets join for peace and unity God .

THEY Got no idea what is going on .   This spirit is all over many christain churches and it was big on rick warren and scores of others .

Who do the work of ROME .  lets not kid ourselves .  NO matter if we live or die , WE are HIS ,  so our hope , our end is GOOD .

Get all prepared IN CHRIST and by SOUND DOCTRINE to refuse the error of the wicked and to remain faithful under the tribulation which shall arise .

FOr many will fall .     Endure faithful to the end my friends .  Faithful to the end .   And be encouraged and of GOOD cheer ,

YES we shall have  tribulation in this world , BUT JESUS HAS OVERCOME THE WORLD .     No fear of man or to suffer .   ONLY HOPE IN HIM . 

Who shall supply all we need .     PUT THOSE HANDS UP AND LET ALL PRAISE THE LORD .    .

None of the Saints of the Past (the Bride) have been under the direct physical viewing of the A/C, False Prophet or Satan.  The Seal, Trumpet and Bowl Judgements are all for the Unbelieving world in our future.  It is for them to endure, not the Bride.  The Bride has been under persecution for 2000 years now, what is different?  the difference is soon it will be God Judging an unrepentant world.  Not all Saints  are the same.  Not all Saints come to know our Lord at the same time, Israel at the end of the 7 years, when they see who they have pierced Coming is His Glory.  For these saints "the days are cut short".

In Christ

Montana Marv

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6 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The ultimate sacrifice is to follow Him, in life or in death.  To deny our flesh.  Martyrdom is not the ultimate sacrifice.  If one dies of old age, so be it, if one dies from a disease or accident, so be it. Our objective is to be One in Christ.  Our manner of death has nothing to do with Salvation.  One jumping into a lake and saving a person and then dying by this act is not martyrdom, but sacrificing himself.

In Christ

Montana Marv

what was it Jesus said about no greater love?  something about laying down His life for His friends?  I just cant place the verse verbatim, can you help me out? 

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6 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Seems to me , like the lambs are being fully prepared now BY GOD , BY HIS SPIRIT and sound doctrine to know and understand what days we in

and where it is all headed , AND to have no fear of man nor what he can do . IN FACT the true lambs are learning more and more to see persecution as a thing

to REJOICE THROUGH and see it as a blessing .   FOR BLESSED are you when men shall hate you , persecute you , kill you .    LEAP FOR JOY in that day .

YEAH  the LORD is preparing the saints to KNOW and understand we are appointed unto tribulation AND that  agreat  tribulation is to come against us .

SO as none will be caught off unwares and fear , but rather they will steand firm IN and BY the POWER of the LORD .   SINGING and REJOICING no matter what comes

and si to rise against us .   But another spirit has been at work too .   And its a spirit that focuses on US and not ON GOD .

Thus it panders to the kingdom kid mentality .  Instead of teaching ALL whom GOD loves HE chastens and scourges

HECK it teaches a KINGS KID wont have to worry bout nONE OF that .  OH NO , not a kings kid ,  he will escape tribulation . After all a kings kid

Has no need to even think it will go under tribulation .  That tribulation is for those demon like ones , NOT KINGS KIDS .

THEY got it all backwards man .  ALL who live godly in Christ shall suffer persecution and it IS through MUCH TRIBULATION that we enter into the KINGDOM .

Early church did all to build the church up to know and understand that we will suffer at the hands of men and undergo tribulations .

And that all who endure faithful will receive the crown of life .

NOT TODAY ,   THE KINGS KIDS ALREADY THINK THEY GOT THEM CROWNS and That all whom GOD loves will escape the wrath of man .  GOT IT ALL BACKWARDS

DONT THEY .  

Paul considered it a privilege to suffer for the name of Jesus.  I think Paul, a man who God used to write a fair amount of the NT, would be someone we could look to as an example, someone to emulate. 

The letters to the churches when it speaks of crowns ... those had not earned the crowns as of yet. 

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I have frequently said that for those that WANT to stay and face the AC, God will probably honor their faith and leave them behind. I think it is a silly choice though, since God has made a way of escape. Why be under God's wrath when He is not angry at you? 

Some people imagine that they can be on the earth and somehow not be in God's wrath.  Read through the trumpet judgments, then the vial judgments, and ask yourself HOW you can be here on earth and somehow escape these judgments. It is not going to work. Water turned to blood will taste just a blooding for the saints. It is going to be just as undrinkable for the saints.  Water poisoned by nukes (Wormwood) will be just as poison for the saints as for everyone else. The ONLY verses people can have true bible faith on during those days are those verses that tells us the AC will overcome the saints.  

For all you that seem to desire going through the wrath of God, I have a question: why do you despise God's plan of escape? Why do you despise Paul's pretrib rapture? That IS God's plan of escape. 

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1 hour ago, Cletus said:

what was it Jesus said about no greater love?  something about laying down His life for His friends?  I just cant place the verse verbatim, can you help me out? 

It's there, but this is not referring to martydom. Two separate issues.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

It's there, but this is not referring to martydom. Two separate issues.

In Christ

Montana Marv

well, that explains why you dont understand what i said earlier. 

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