simplejeff Posted June 12, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deborah_ said: The judgement of God Which judgment ? The temporal, earthly destruction of the city, or eternal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted June 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Which judgment ? The temporal, earthly destruction of the city, or eternal ? The one is a foretaste of the other (II Peter 2:6), so it makes no difference. Since Rahab's faith is held up as an example of the faith that saves us from eternal judgement (James 2:25), then they must be equivalent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.84 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2019 6 hours ago, R. Hartono said: 1 Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if some do not obey the word, they also may without the word be won by the conduct of the wives. You are speaking of household salvation. The bible does not promise that a spouse or family member will be saved by a believer family member or head of the household. The spiritual leader of the household has a responsibility to lead those in the family to Christ. That does not always happen and a person might go away from Christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted June 12, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Deborah_ said: The one is a foretaste of the other (II Peter 2:6), so it makes no difference. Since Rahab's faith is held up as an example of the faith that saves us from eternal judgement (James 2:25), then they must be equivalent. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted June 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.34 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2019 8 hours ago, R. Hartono said: 1 Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if some do not obey the word, they also may without the word be won by the conduct of the wives. Sanctified means to set apart for God. It means that the ungodly habits are minimized by a wife who does not enjoy them and will not participate in them That way their children grow up in a godly atmosphere. However, he is not saved until he of his own volition gives his live to Christ Jesus as his Lord and Master. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 2 Posted June 12, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2019 I think an understanding of the meaning of "sanctified"will add clarity to the passage. Especially if viewed as a process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heybro Posted June 13, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 19 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,360 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 2,139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/03/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 13, 2019 Hi there to you Deborah, hoping that I can clarify the situation with Rahab as I understand it, thanks. It was because Rahab believed that the Israelites were going to overcome the city, that she went "out on a limb" and helped the spies escape. The result of that was that the spies told her, in order that your family is not massacred with the rest of the city, she had to follow their instructions. Having done what was required of her, she and her household were saved from death, but not from the eternal judgement. As always, I hope this was helpful, God bless. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlbrokish Posted June 13, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 532 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 1,293 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1972 Share Posted June 13, 2019 22 hours ago, Willa said: Sanctified means to set apart for God. It means that the ungodly habits are minimized by a wife who does not enjoy them and will not participate in them That way their children grow up in a godly atmosphere. However, he is not saved until he of his own volition gives his live to Christ Jesus as his Lord and Master. Thank you Willa, This is the situation in my household. My husband has not given his life to Jesus and has several blasphemous, profane, and irreverent habits. I read the topic of this discussion and was intrigued and puzzled that my husband would be granted eternal salvation on account of my faithfulness. I appreciate your explanation and interpretation. I had always assumed that he must still believe, in his heart, the only way. John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. mlb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 769 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,929 Content Per Day: 3.08 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 7 hours ago, mlbrokish said: Thank you Willa, This is the situation in my household. My husband has not given his life to Jesus and has several blasphemous, profane, and irreverent habits. I read the topic of this discussion and was intrigued and puzzled that my husband would be granted eternal salvation on account of my faithfulness. I appreciate your explanation and interpretation. I had always assumed that he must still believe, in his heart, the only way. John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. mlb Miss Muffet said this is about salvation of house hold, may be safety of marriage 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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