What About Babel?

[Jesusinmyheart3]

Please try to follow what I am asking.

When the Tower of Babel was built we already know that God mixed languages? Genesis 11 1-9

The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole earth had one language and one [a]speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. 3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. 4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. 9 Therefore its name is called [c]Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

So now if scattered all in different directions how is it possible then that eventually one language understood another?

How did they learn another language?

Historians have wondered how exactly did people from the west come from and even earlier then explorers like Christopher Columbus and Amerigo Vespucci? Is it possible that when God scattered people that they came from the west and possible to get there before the explorers did?

Would this now change the theory about the Asians crossing the Bering Strait to get into North America? These Asians are now called Native Americans.

[ayin jade]

That sounds like a mormon belief/theory. 

If you have spent time among those of other languages, or studied another language, you would see that you can pick up languages just by being around someone. Especially if you are trying to learn it. 

[Who me]

Two questions.

How do people learn a language without a language teacher?

How does this affect migration theories?

 

As has been said. Spend time with someone watching and listening and one can learn the words/names for everyday objects. As these are learnt simple actions can be done and the word for that action learnt. etc etc etc

 

Migration theory, is just that a theory, a series of ideas formed to try and explain data.

Terry Pratchet in his disc world books parodid explorers, with feature renamed by explorors as, 'What', that's a mountain' and my favourete, 'That is your finger!'

[Robert.A]

So the people came from the EAST and formed Babel.  Is this the forerunner of Babylon ?

 

If so where did the people come from 

 

[other one]

34 minutes ago, Robert.A said:

So the people came from the EAST and formed Babel.  Is this the forerunner of Babylon ?

 

If so where did the people come from 

 

they were all the decedents of Noah and his sons....

[Robert.A]

I mean where were they located before they travelled Westward and arrived in the area of Babel.  Were Noahs descendents living in Persia. China.  How far east ?

 

[Jostler]

I would assume various nations that ended up with common borders would have learned each  other's languages the same way we do today.  Spend time with  each  other and teach  each other. 

[other one]

On 6/17/2019 at 11:31 PM, Jesusinmyheart3 said:

Please try to follow what I am asking.

When the Tower of Babel was built we already know that God mixed languages? Genesis 11 1-9

The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole earth had one language and one [a]speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. 3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. 4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. 9 Therefore its name is called [c]Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

So now if scattered all in different directions how is it possible then that eventually one language understood another?

How did they learn another language?

Historians have wondered how exactly did people from the west come from and even earlier then explorers like Christopher Columbus and Amerigo Vespucci? Is it possible that when God scattered people that they came from the west and possible to get there before the explorers did?

Would this now change the theory about the Asians crossing the Bering Strait to get into North America? These Asians are now called Native Americans.

the same way that all the people heard the preaching on Pentecost in their native languages....     God willed it.

[DSmith_TheHistorian]

From Babel to North America – by Land

So, how did North American Indians arrive in North America in the first place? Looking back at history, the origins of every single person on this planet begins at the Tower of Babel. Genesis 10:32 says: “These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.” Answers-in-Genesis Writer and Engineer Bodie Hodge answers this question starting with his explanation of indigenous land-migration:

“From Babel, we would expect that civilizations closer to the region would be settled first and then those farther away. Initial civilizations such as Babylon, Egypt, and Greece were among the first to rise. Larry Pierce has a good article describing this—see ‘In the Days of Peleg.’ The next general areas people spread to were Europe, Asia, and Africa. Beyond this would be Australia and North and South America. Let’s take a closer look at North America and South America.”

“First, most Native Americans likely came across the Bering Strait from Asia to Alaska. From there, they went south and spread throughout the continent and on down to Central and South America. The timing of this event would have be after the Tower of Babel when Noah’s descendants were scattered across the globe to repopulate the earth. Ussher places the Tower of Babel at about 2242 BC, which is about a hundred years or so after the Flood. For the land beneath the Bering Strait to be exposed, the ocean level would have to be lower. The Ice Age that followed the Flood would be the perfect mechanism to remove water from the ocean and deposit it on land, thus reducing the ocean level. The Ice Age peaked about 500 years after the Flood, or about 400 years after Babel.”[1]

For the Bering Strait to have been covered by enough solid snow and ice to expose the land bridge, it would have taken most of the Ice Age. This information is taken and based upon the current depth of the Bering Strait, which is believed to have been shallower preceding the Ice Age.[2] This event would allow solid ground to show sooner than 400 years after Babel and the resulting Dispersion. This would have been the small and exact opportunity for people to cross. According to historian Mike Oard, “Sixty years is a crude back-of-the-envelope calculation to estimate the minimum time it would take to reach South America. The actual migration would likely have been more complicated and slower. Migration could have happened in spurts. Some tribes could have settled for a while in a location before moving on.”[3]

The calculation concludes that the migrating people could have made it all the way to South America in at least 60 years. Of course, this is just a calculation and not the most likely of scenarios. Migration most likely happened in spurts. It would take time to travel on foot for sure. As semi-nomadic, after settling in one spot they would move on to another once resources were depleted. These groups that would spurt across the Bering Straight from the Middle East, and then take the time to spread out across the Americas.

It makes complete sense that after a couple of hundred years there would be plenty of time to expand and migrate across Asia to the Bering Strait. Even many of the first explorers to the Americas most likely showed up around 200 to 500 years after the Great Flood, or about 100 to 400 years after Babel, at about 2142 BC to approximately 1842 BC (based upon Ussher’s dates). These land bridges would have exposed Australia, for example, which has an extensive, shallow continental shelf that also connects the surrounding island chains in Southeast Asia.

PS - You can see more in my first resource below...  

Blessings,

Daniel L. Smith,

ComplexAmerica.org

 

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[1] Hodge, Bodie. "From Ararat to the Americas—In a Few Thousand Years?" Answers in Genesis. Last modified September 22, 2006. https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/from-ararat-to-the-americas-in-a-few-thousand-years/.

[2] Oard, Michael. Frozen in Time: The Woolly Mammoth, The Ice Age, and The Bible, 130. Green Forest : New Leaf Publishing Group, 2004.

[3] Ibid., 132

[teddyv]

3 hours ago, DSmith_TheHistorian said:

From Babel to North America – by Land

So, how did North American Indians arrive in North America in the first place? Looking back at history, the origins of every single person on this planet begins at the Tower of Babel. Genesis 10:32 says: “These were the families of the sons of Noah, according to their generations, in their nations; and from these the nations were divided on the earth after the flood.” Answers-in-Genesis Writer and Engineer Bodie Hodge answers this question starting with his explanation of indigenous land-migration:

“From Babel, we would expect that civilizations closer to the region would be settled first and then those farther away. Initial civilizations such as Babylon, Egypt, and Greece were among the first to rise. Larry Pierce has a good article describing this—see ‘In the Days of Peleg.’ The next general areas people spread to were Europe, Asia, and Africa. Beyond this would be Australia and North and South America. Let’s take a closer look at North America and South America.”

“First, most Native Americans likely came across the Bering Strait from Asia to Alaska. From there, they went south and spread throughout the continent and on down to Central and South America. The timing of this event would have be after the Tower of Babel when Noah’s descendants were scattered across the globe to repopulate the earth. Ussher places the Tower of Babel at about 2242 BC, which is about a hundred years or so after the Flood. For the land beneath the Bering Strait to be exposed, the ocean level would have to be lower. The Ice Age that followed the Flood would be the perfect mechanism to remove water from the ocean and deposit it on land, thus reducing the ocean level. The Ice Age peaked about 500 years after the Flood, or about 400 years after Babel.”[1]

For the Bering Strait to have been covered by enough solid snow and ice to expose the land bridge, it would have taken most of the Ice Age. This information is taken and based upon the current depth of the Bering Strait, which is believed to have been shallower preceding the Ice Age.[2] This event would allow solid ground to show sooner than 400 years after Babel and the resulting Dispersion. This would have been the small and exact opportunity for people to cross. According to historian Mike Oard, “Sixty years is a crude back-of-the-envelope calculation to estimate the minimum time it would take to reach South America. The actual migration would likely have been more complicated and slower. Migration could have happened in spurts. Some tribes could have settled for a while in a location before moving on.”[3]

The calculation concludes that the migrating people could have made it all the way to South America in at least 60 years. Of course, this is just a calculation and not the most likely of scenarios. Migration most likely happened in spurts. It would take time to travel on foot for sure. As semi-nomadic, after settling in one spot they would move on to another once resources were depleted. These groups that would spurt across the Bering Straight from the Middle East, and then take the time to spread out across the Americas.

It makes complete sense that after a couple of hundred years there would be plenty of time to expand and migrate across Asia to the Bering Strait. Even many of the first explorers to the Americas most likely showed up around 200 to 500 years after the Great Flood, or about 100 to 400 years after Babel, at about 2142 BC to approximately 1842 BC (based upon Ussher’s dates). These land bridges would have exposed Australia, for example, which has an extensive, shallow continental shelf that also connects the surrounding island chains in Southeast Asia.

PS - You can see more in my first resource below...  

Blessings,

Daniel L. Smith,

ComplexAmerica.org

 

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[1] Hodge, Bodie. "From Ararat to the Americas—In a Few Thousand Years?" Answers in Genesis. Last modified September 22, 2006. https://answersingenesis.org/tower-of-babel/from-ararat-to-the-americas-in-a-few-thousand-years/.

[2] Oard, Michael. Frozen in Time: The Woolly Mammoth, The Ice Age, and The Bible, 130. Green Forest : New Leaf Publishing Group, 2004.

[3] Ibid., 132

And Mr. Hodge would be wrong. The last ice age timeline is well established and cannot occur within the Ussher timeline. We are dealing with geologically recent events so evidence is still fresh and abundant. I understand that AiG has to fit in the ice age somehow, but they are really cramming things now (what about previous ice ages?).

Oard's claim of a minimum of 60 years for the habitation of North and South America is complete speculation when you read his reasoning. He brings in no third-party research whatsoever, just ad hoc hypotheses.