Firm Foundation Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: What you said is unbiblical, so I care for you, but cannot in good conscience support your doctrine. 1) All people who teach loss of security use unclear verses and statements, "we have to show", "we have to prove", "can't practice wickedness" 2) All people " " say salvation is about US, our behavior, and not really about JESUS--Jesus gives us the opportunity to be saved, not salvation 3) Loss of salvation always has to do with my behavior, not Jesus's power That is just your opinion verses mine. I believe OSAS is unBiblical. I have nothing against you personally, but I believe OSAS has led a lot of souls into hell because they see no need to repent of their sins. The verses the believers in OSAS use are out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: That is just your opinion verses mine. I believe OSAS is unBiblical. I have nothing against you personally, but I believe OSAS has led a lot of souls into hell because they see no need to repent of their sins. The verses the believers in OSAS use are out of context. I appreciate your zeal for God, but we are saved by the cross of Jesus, not by our repenting. People repent unto salvation once, I changed my mind that I could save myself and repented/rethought--only God can save me. I do not use verses out of context. There are over 150 NT verses about salvation, all 150 say, "Trust Jesus". There is not a single verse that says repentance saves us. If your pastor gave you "only" 150 verses justifying his doctrine, would you say, "I need more verses" or "Those 150 passages are all out of context"? And, if you believe in eternal insecurity, you have to believe that if I'm saved and lost, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RENEW ME UNTO REPENTANCE, so I can NEVER repent and be saved after I'm saved, then lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: I appreciate your zeal for God, but we are saved by the cross of Jesus, not by our repenting. People repent unto salvation once, I changed my mind that I could save myself and repented/rethought--only God can save me. I do not use verses out of context. There are over 150 NT verses about salvation, all 150 say, "Trust Jesus". There is not a single verse that says repentance saves us. If your pastor gave you "only" 150 verses justifying his doctrine, would you say, "I need more verses" or "Those 150 passages are all out of context"? And, if you believe in eternal insecurity, you have to believe that if I'm saved and lost, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RENEW ME UNTO REPENTANCE, so I can NEVER repent and be saved after I'm saved, then lost. 1 John teaches the need to repent of sins. Hebrews 10 teaches willful sins are not under the original blood covering. I don't know what 150 verses you speak of, but I guarantee they are being taken wrong, out of context, or talking about God's foreknowledge of who is predestined to salvation. If you want to post the 150 verses, I will look at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Firm Foundation said: 1 John teaches the need to repent of sins. Hebrews 10 teaches willful sins are not under the original blood covering. I don't know what 150 verses you speak of, but I guarantee they are being taken wrong, out of context, or talking about God's foreknowledge of who is predestined to salvation. If you want to post the 150 verses, I will look at them. For a verse study, start here: http://users.isp.com/kjfiore/_private/Theology/Soteriology/eternalSalvationInJohn.htm Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: For a verse study, start here: http://users.isp.com/kjfiore/_private/Theology/Soteriology/eternalSalvationInJohn.htm Thanks! I am aware others have different interpretations. I am saying those promoting OSAS are interpreting things wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worship Warriors Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,218 Content Per Day: 1.18 Reputation: 4,854 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/18/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 the idea in John 3:16 is : keep on believing and don't stop! https://worshipwarriorsministry.com.au/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: I am aware others have different interpretations. I am saying those promoting OSAS are interpreting things wrong. FF, you wrote: "If you want to post the 150 verses, I will look at them." I JUST POSTED MANY VERSES. Are you going to look at them and the given interpretation BEFORE you say "wrong!" or not? "Does our Law judge a person before considering his words?" -- Nicodemus about Jesus Christ Edited July 16, 2019 by Billiards Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Alive Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,024 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 1,224 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 4:31 PM, LeeGreenForest said: Is believing in Jesus enough for salvation according to John 3:16? Yes. Thread killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said: FF, you wrote: "If you want to post the 150 verses, I will look at them." I JUST POSTED MANY VERSES. Are you going to look at them and the given interpretation BEFORE you say "wrong!" or not? "Does our Law judge a person before considering his words?" -- Nicodemus about Jesus Christ That is a perfect example of misusing scripture. I will look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted July 16, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2019 48 minutes ago, Still Alive said: Yes. Thread killed. Faith without works is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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