Last Daze Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,986 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,517 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Betha said: .....because the 2nd does NOT REPLACE the 1st....they are 2 DISTINCT Commands that must INTERACT with each other. I think that's becoming more of an issue in the churches today. Loving your neighbor becomes the more important commandment and is redefined as accepting their sinful lifestyle. Another deception. Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame. 1 Corinthians 15:33-34 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Betha said: Friend, HOLINESS has always been enjoined - it's just that people choose NOT TO REMEMBER IT.....starts with keeping holy the day God chose .. Couldn’t be further from the truth. Christ Jesus is our holiness. Holiness begins with Jesus Christ, not observing the Sabbath. Please list the scriptures where Christ instructed the Church to keep the Sabbath. JLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,986 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,517 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Betha said: it is high time they moved up to the FIRST one of ACTUALLY loving GOD HIMSELF more personal and direct by KEEPING the first 4 Commands....YES including the Sabbath ! When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Colossians 2:15-17 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2019 Everyone knows that the Jews met on Saturday to worship. That was part of their covenant. So Paul would preach first to the Jews, and later on the first day he would preach to the Gentiles. The Church always met on the first day of the week, even if that was Saturday night. Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 15, 2019 6 hours ago, pinacled said: Firstly; Yeshua himself stated that he came to fulfill All righteousness of and in the Royal Torah. Yes. Jesus fulfilled the law. “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:17-18 - one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Nothing will pass from the law TILL all is fulfilled. Since He has fulfilled the law, the law of commandments contained in ordinances has been abolished. - having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15 Now, we don’t observe the Sabbath as it was during the time of the law of Moses, as the children of Israel were obligated to do. JLB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Betha said: IF Yashua were your example and you walked with Him 24/7 He would not have to 'instruct you....you would DO as HE does ! Can you show me where He instructed His disciples by example to observe the Sabbath? JLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Willa Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Betha said: Acts 20v7, On the first day of the week the Disciples came together 'to break Bread....have a Meal v11 and EATEN ! This was not an official church meeting/service but a 'social gathering after the Sabbath was over.....when Paul continued his speech till midnight....talked a long while. In Acts 13, we see it was not Paul's habit to preach to gentiles on the sunday but on the SABBATH v 42-44.Paul did not split the joint assembly....people themselves did because of disagreement, without authority from God.or Paul. The gentiles were not allowed to worship with the Jews unless they converted to Judism. The Jews still considered gentiles to be unclean. Jewish Christians met with Gentile believers where they became one in Christ. Paul always first preached in the Jewish Synagogs till he was kicked out, and then he took the Gospel to the Gentiles. In the beginning they had love feasts with their service. That is why they had the disputes about people getting there first and eating all the food, not leaving food for the widows and poor. It was like a church potluck or picnic. Afterward they would have hymns, prayers and preaching, often till late at night. When the Lord's Supper was instituted it was a Passover meal that was eaten before the elements of bread and wine were passed, so they kept on having an evening meal as Christ had done.. Yes, we do celebrate the resurrection by meeting on the 1st day of the week. 1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper. 1Co 11:21 For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk. 1 hour ago, pinacled said: In the future would you be kind and use the Word Shabbat instead of saturday. Consider the honorable expression as a form of adoration for The Lord of Shabbat. If possible of course. The first day in breaking bread is to be as a commemoration of the Lord of Lights in unleavened bread. Blessings Always. It is not my custom to speak Hebrew. I will use the names of the week days that I am accustomed to. However, I respect your using the Hebrew names. It is not false doctrine in the church to use the name Saturday (OP). Nor is it false doctrine to worship on Saturday. It is simply my custom to worship on Sunday and Wednesday, and to treat every day as holy to the Lord. It is false doctrine, however, to believe that those who don't assemble to worship on Saturday have taken the mark of the beast and are going to hell, as some believe. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLB Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 727 Content Per Day: 0.42 Reputation: 137 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/16/1959 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Willa said: The gentiles were not allowed to worship with the Jews unless they converted to Judism. The Jews still considered gentiles to be unclean. Jewish Christians met with Gentile believers where they became one in Christ. Paul always first preached in the Jewish Synagogs till he was kicked out, and then he took the Gospel to the Gentiles. In the beginning they had love feasts with their service. That is why they had the disputes about people getting there first and eating all the food, not leaving food for the widows and poor. It was like a church potluck or picnic. Afterward they would have hymns, prayers and preaching, often till late at night. When the Lord's Supper was instituted it was a Passover meal that was eaten before the elements of bread and wine were passed, so they kept on having an evening meal as Christ had done.. Yes, we do celebrate the resurrection by meeting on the 1st day of the week. 1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper. 1Co 11:21 For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others; and one is hungry and another is drunk. It is not my custom to speak Hebrew. I will use the names of the week days that I am accustomed to. However, I respect your using the Hebrew names. It is not false doctrine in the church to use the name Saturday (OP). Nor is it false doctrine to worship on Saturday. It is simply my custom to worship on Sunday and Wednesday, and to treat every day as holy to the Lord. It is false doctrine, however, to believe that those who don't assemble to worship on Saturday have taken the mark of the beast and are going to hell, as some believe. What most Hebrew roots folks don’t understand or won’t admit, is the thing that separated the Jew from the Gentile was the law of Moses. The one new man, has been made because He Himself abolished it in His flesh, having nailed it to the cross. Therefore there is now peace between the two, for those who are in Christ Jesus. - having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15 JLB Edited July 15, 2019 by JLB 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, JLB said: What most Hebrew roots folks don’t understand or won’t admit, is the thing that separated the Jew from the Gentile was the law of Moses. The one new man, has been made because He Himself abolished it in His flesh, having nailed it to the cross. Therefore there is now peace between the two, for those who are in Christ Jesus. - having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15 JLB Here you are talking about the church. Paul would speak in the Hebrew Synagog before speaking to the church. Jesus was sent to the people of Israel. Paul alway honored that and spoke first to the Jews. In the church Jews and Gentiles are one, male and female are one, free and slave are one. That did not happen in the synagogs of the Hebrew people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoda Posted July 15, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/27/1943 Share Posted July 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, Willa said: The gentiles were not allowed to worship with the Jews unless they converted to Judism. The Jews still considered gentiles to be unclean. Jewish Christians met with Gentile believers where they became one in Christ. Paul always first preached in the Jewish Synagogs till he was kicked out, and then he took the Gospel to the Gentiles. That is not quite true. Many Gentiles were strongly attracted to Judaism but were unwilling to convert due to an unwillingness to undergo circumcision. In the synagogues of the Diaspora they were known as "God fearers". They seem to have been Paul's main source of converts in his missionary work. However, I am not sure how often this occurred in the synagogues of Judea and Galilee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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