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1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

The lesson of Sabbath rest is that we are to rest from our own works and from doing our own will.......so that it is "no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me".  Jesus never did His own works or will per se........"the Son can do nothing of himself".   He didn't change the rules, but He fulfilled them in the way they were meant to be fulfilled.....which was/is not in the old way of the letter.  His sabbath was 24/7, all the time....and that is the rest that we are to endeavour to enter as well.

You can talk circles around anything, but the way it is presented in the OT when the ten commandments is that we are to do "NO" work....    no qualifiers, just no work....    can't even kindle a fire if you are cold which we do every time we start a car....     either you believe what the Bible says or you don't, but really don't try and manipulate things to put people back under the law.  Moses said no work period....    and Jesus said that's not the way he wants it done...   and he is the Lord of the sabbath....

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3 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

I remember that a few months ago you posted a brilliant post about observing the feast days, sabbaths , the Law, etc.You made it clear that it was your personal decision to observe these Old Testament requirements because it gave you joy to do it.You never said you did these things things to be saved,nor did you claim that doing these things “ kept” you saved.You did not imply in any manner that others “ should” do it , or were commanded to do it.I though your idea  was great ! Had you said “ this is the way I live and YOU too must do it if you want to be saved!”THAT would make  you a Judaizers.You clearly are not.Nor is nobody else that observes feasts and laws out of a sense of appreciation and Love.If people do what you do thinking they will go to Hell if they don’t—— they are adding to the Gospel Of Grace and are severed from the Cross and have fallen from Grace.....A bad place to find oneself.

For Anybody that thinks I do not believe in Sabbathing, the Truth is , I esteem it more than my critics do. I Sabbath every day.True Sabbathing is resting in the finished work of the Cross.As I said....it is a command of God.Read and understand Heb 3 and 4........ May God bless you in your understanding of these things.

btw....when you read thru the Bible did you skip the 14th chapter of Romans? Paul so clearly reveals what Jesus thinks of Sabbath observers......nothing wrong with it at all if you do it to please Him.....just realize that Paul says it is for “weak Believers”. If God has given us freedom in these matters , why not strive to be strong? God bless .  

btw pt2......I notice that your quotes were all from the Old Covenant.....something happened later on  that changed everything.....the Cross

we are not under Law, we are in the Age of Grace...Why not get your license and enjoy it to the full? NOT a license to sin ,but the license to REST. How sweet it is!

A visual perspective of under' the Torah(law for me was when being buried with Yeshua.. iron to dust....

Then with Favor(grace) I was given a Spirit to explore the terrain of the torah in the spirit of the Torah.

How wonderful is The Lord of Lights to provide a lamp with oil to guide a loved ones steps as they grow.

How awesome is The Power of The Lord who conquered death. And has freely given Life and Light through The Lion of the tribe of yhdh. The 4th born of Leah reminds me of the 4th day of creation where lights were placed in the night sky. Every evening I observe the moon and stars I'm reminded of the wonderful promise of a day star rising in the heart.

Blessed be They Holy One.

 

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On 7/8/2019 at 1:02 PM, Justin Adams said:

Oh YEAH. Say it loud bro. SUN-day, Ishtar and bunnies, Queen of heaven etc. psalm 82, Deut. 32 Is. 14 etc.

Worship of the Principalities and Powers and an underlying HATRED of all things Israeli.

SAY IT LOUD AND VERY OFTEN - some might even hear you!!

I am really relieved that after speaking the Truth for many years (40) more people are coming forward in support of GOD's Word !....which says different than worldly churches do.....keeping us all in the dark. The devil is a master at deception transforming himself as light 2 Cor 11. No wonder  we were never allowed/encouraged to read/possess Bibles as Roman Catholics, in case we should find out the truth.  

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30 minutes ago, other one said:

You can talk circles around anything, but the way it is presented in the OT when the ten commandments is that we are to do "NO" work....    no qualifiers, just no work....    can't even kindle a fire if you are cold which we do every time we start a car....     either you believe what the Bible says or you don't, but really don't try and manipulate things to put people back under the law.  Moses said no work period....    and Jesus said that's not the way he wants it done...   and he is the Lord of the sabbath....

We all know that Moses was until Christ....so since Yashua had a 'better  new and living way why are you calling Him a liar ? Should not HE be the one we believe and obey when He introduced a 'change of how to  keep  the law Heb 7v 12. Why are you bringing up OT WORKS observance ? these were taken out of the way by Jesus on the cross. Eph 2v15; Col 2v14....that did NOT include the 10 Commandments the eternal spiritual Principles of God or the holy Sabbath Jesus is Lord of  yesterday, today and for ever.....they stand, but the observance has changed.

Christians are still erroniously taught to reject or ignore them and encouraged to uphold their own false pagan  traditions. What a tragedy !

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4 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

You robbed me of everything was going to say.....except this...It is this: God Could not care less about the Sabbath.The only “ rest” that He wants to see is Believers resting in the finished work of the Cross. Ignore THAT rest and you are in a state of disobedience and you are guilty of unbelief — One would think that Modern-Day Judaizers would put that rule at the top of their “ DO” list.

 

 

There you go again calling people names...WILL YOU EVER LEARN GOD's WAYS ? so do us a favour and put some 'manners' at the top of YOUR list !

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2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

I remember that a few months ago you posted

Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you don't see me a Judaizer.  :) 

2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

btw....when you read thru the Bible did you skip the 14th chapter of Romans?

Good question.  Romans 14 seems to be written with regard to fasting.  

The topics Paul addresses together are about those who abstain from meats and eating on holy (set-apart) days.  Rather than Sabbath, Paul seems to be referring to special fast days that were practiced in the first century, some with roots going all the way back to the time of Ezra.  Some of these fasts that were observed twice a week were even mentioned in Luke 18:12.  This makes sense of Romans 14, as Sabbaths have nothing to do with fasting.

Not only this, but it there are scholars who believe that the early church were venerating the the resurrection day each week - esteeming it to be holy for worship.  

With the background of above, what Paul is saying makes sense and it doesn't invalidate the Sabbath.  

But what if Paul IS talking about the Sabbath - would it make sense?  Are we to believe Paul would so casually say "Oh, by the way, the Sabbath: don't worry about that. Let the weak in faith follow it."  I can't believe that. For such a huge milestone to be delivered in such a casual off-the-cuff way... No, doesn't make sense at all.  Especially as many were seeking to condemn him at his every word against the Torah.  

Let's remember as well, the Sabbath is not a Jewish thing, and Israeli thing, or a Hebrew thing.  It was given as a common to mankind in the general in Genesis.  So is Paul disputing against Yahweh, introducing such a huge milestone so casually, or talking about man-ordained fast days?

2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

btw pt2......I notice that your quotes were all from the Old Covenant.....something happened later on  that changed everything.....the Cross

Be very careful with this line of thinking.  I needn't have replied on Romans 14 at all.  The passages in Isaiah should have been enough because Yahweh's words stand above all - your salvation relies on them. 

The passages I gave you in Isaiah were in reference to Gentiles and the future.   Yahweh's words are eternal and, even if you want to argue old vs new, the new will never invalidate the old.  Rather, it builds upon it - not beside it.  

Be careful in thinking that Yahweh is this and says this, but the Messiah is that and says that.  They are both on the same page. To separate their words, intentions and covenants is two create two separate Gods. They are one, as you well know.  That means the Lord venerates and agrees entirely with the words of the Yahweh, which mainly reside in the "Old Testament".  I'm sure the Lord didn't think "Yeah whatever... wait until the Cross! Then it's all change and my Father's words will have less authority".  The Cross did bring change, but not at the cost of invalidating Yahweh's word.  Rather, it confirmed it.

2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

we are not under Law, we are in the Age of Grace...Why not get your license and enjoy it to the full? NOT a license to sin ,but the license to REST. How sweet it is!

My friend, if you think this is the rest, you have misunderstood!  Do you see the Lord rule in Jerusalem?  Do you see peace reign and safety for every man, woman and child?  These aren't the days of rest.  There is much work to do!  Yes it is the age of grace, but in the terms that He has held back from bringing His righteous anger for so long - which has allowed you and me to become believers today.  But rest?  No, that part comes later.  Thankfully there is a day once a week for this as well :) .  I see what you mean in that we have rest in the Lord and peace in Him, but this is not the time to rest.

Even if I have a license to rest, I'd rather not use it in this life whilst we still have time to help Him.  

In the same way, if I get to Judgement Day and find out you're right about the Sabbath, I'm just going to look a bit silly and zealous. I can deal with that.  But what if you find out I'm right, and you have been encouraging others to not bother with it?  That will be a difficult conversation, no?

Listen, I mean no ill will towards you on this matter brother. You are of course free to think what you will.  I was unphased about the Sabbath before as well, so I can relate to your position.  But can you at least please say one prayer for me - a prayer asking the Father to confirm or deny whether the Sabbath is important to Him today.  You may have done so before but, please, just one more time.  

I'll shut up now.   Thank you for bearing with me and my bloated way of explaining things!

Love & Shalom

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23 minutes ago, Betha said:

We all know that Moses was until Christ....so since Yashua had a 'better  new and living way why are you calling Him a liar ? Should not HE be the one we believe and obey when He introduced a 'change of how to  keep  the law Heb 7v 12. Why are you bringing up OT WORKS observance ? these were taken out of the way by Jesus on the cross. Eph 2v15; Col 2v14....that did NOT include the 10 Commandments the eternal spiritual Principles of God or the holy Sabbath Jesus is Lord of  yesterday, today and for ever.....they stand, but the observance has changed.

Christians are still erroniously taught to reject or ignore them and encouraged to uphold their own false pagan  traditions. What a tragedy !

Yeshua being God and giving Renewel of mind with sound doctrine and pure instruction in Torah.

I don't think The Holy One changed a thing about The Royal Torah..nor Shabbat. Actually I know better.

Only the lawless ones string a bow and empty their quiver. All the while searing their own conscience with grievances against the Holy Spirit.

They do so to their own destruction as their once sound mind burns with anger toward the very fate they themselves chose.

Then with the same anger they slander the Beloved children of The Lord and attempt to defile the Shabbat with deception. This intention to hinder the children from entering is from an old enemy. The prince of power of air(leaven). Something the rcc boldly claims to be.

Even so, There are malach about that are capable of tossing mill stones like pebbles.

Blessings Always

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2 hours ago, other one said:

that is something you decided for your theory.....   Bible says very plainly "NO" work.

Jesus changed things for us and lead by example.

Can't kindle any fire.....   do you start your car.....   you should be stoned if you do by OT teachings.

Peoples tension spans and memory truly are horrible .     I was about to say how I believed ,    but guess what .   I aint going to do it .   Because I have said it dozens of times

and memories just are tanked man .    People cannot seem to retain much at all these days .    So ,   here is what I believe concering the Sabbath , meats and drinks ,

OH Wait never mind you wont remember it . 

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Folks are just going to strive .    Cause it we cannot even remember what one says ,    its pointless to even continue on this subject .

So here is what I believe concerning meats , drinks and days ,   Nevermind it wont be remembered in an hour .   

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1 hour ago, Betha said:

There you go again calling people names...WILL YOU EVER LEARN GOD's WAYS ? so do us a favour and put some 'manners' at the top of YOUR list !

 

If you want to discuss name calling, I can’t hold a candle to Paul......have you ever heard me call anybody a “ pervert” ? This is what Paul called those that wanted to add to the Good News Of Grace—- GRACE ALONE! Those that preached this “ perverted message” were “ accursed”.... that means damned forever by God.Have I ever told anybody here that they were God damned? To those that insisted on circumcision in addition to the Gospel, Paul said he wished they would cut their entire members off ! Paul was a real sweet namby-pamby, wasn’t he?

Anybody observing certain days in the manner of Tze ( where on  earth did he get that name...lol ) is doing a neat thing.....he does not claim it is for Salvation and he does not push it on anybody else.If you are like him— fantastic. If you believe that  the Sabbath is still in effect, you are a “ weak” Believer.No harm, no foul.If you say that it is necessary for Salvation you are a Judaizer, fallen from Grace and severed from the Cross Of Cross. I am not sure if that means you are damned or not .Intelligent, God-Dwelt Believers disagree .Whatever these things entail , one thing is for sure —- you ain’t gonna like it! If you go around “ preaching” that we must add to the Blood Of Christ and His Gospel Of Grace you are going to Hell, you are “accursed”.

God’s Word does not reveal much about Judgement Day, But Paul did say we will be judged by HIS Gospel ....the one given to him by Jesus in person.God’s gonna ask... “ what did you do with My Gospel?” Are you gonna tell Him you had to add just a little bit of your works to it, just to be safe ?God demands TRUST, and that ain’t Trust.....that’s hedging your bet , and God won’t have it.You can “ try” to be saved and be lost or you can “ trust” to be saved and find Life. Your choice.

I have no desire to step on anybody’s toes, and I hope the above applies to nobody in here.I apologize for my “ bad manners”. Thank God that Paul had the “ bad manners” to correct people who espoused a “ different Gospel” That At  the very least ruined lives, and at its very worst, sent people to Hell.People are literally playing with Fire and need to be woke up......many years of “playing church “ and perverting the Gospel was a subject never discussed.I bet Satan loved that.The blind leading the blind....

 

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