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What a blessing and great read. Thanks for the re-post Debp.  

And a awesome hat-tip to JustPassingThrough! 

Such a awesome truth put forth, many blessings and may God honor the desire of your heart towards Him. 

Much love in Christ, Not me 

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To whom it may concern;

To argue over the human understanding of words, misses the meaning and intent of the spiritual truths the words are meant to portray; 

For God is not found in the words, God is found in the faith of the words. 

Blessings, 

Much love in Christ, Not me 

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As a follow up to my previous post which is basically a critique of the analysis, I'd like to add that I think that the experience with grape tending could be the basis for a great sermon, article, or devotional.   The entire process described  is a great analogy for how God works in our lives individually.

Drop out the attempts to use Greek and make theological points, and turn this into an encouraging devotional type of teaching, and it could be an outstanding one.  It's a nice concrete analogy people could envision of how God works at pruning and removing things out of our lives that are drawing time and energy away from the things that really bear fruit.   Those parts of the original post which were focused on how it applies to us individually are insightful and helpful.  Rewriting this focused on practical application and encouragement for us individually would probably yield a very good devotional that could be published someplace.

 

 

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Whoa Deb, 

I'm speechless, thanks, but I must say all praise and Glory must go to my Lord Jesus Christ, ...for without Him I'm nothing, ...In Him, ...I'm just another tool in His tool belt.

And thanks to all who have responded.

Lord bless

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3 hours ago, GandalfTheWise said:

This statement is nonsense. The suffix -eth is simply the 3rd person singular present tense verb ending in older forms of English.

Yes folks that's correct, ...in English grammar.

But, Jesus was speaking in Greek and the verb in the Greek  grammar is present active indicative , now my High School grammar is really fuzzy, so correct me if I'm wrong, but...

present means,  ...it's happening now

active means, ...the verb's subject is doing the action

indicative means, ...it's reality

So, whenever I read a verb in the King James ending in eth, ...which comforts me the most, ...knowing the grammatical person of the verb, ...or knowing, even though it's been written 2,000 years ago it's alive and active in my life today?

For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart.  Heb 4:12  RV

Couple that with:

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.  John 1:14

And:

...for He hath said, I will never leave you, nor forsake you.  Heb 13:5

For me, ...in times of trouble (and other situations too), the eth puts a special, personal assurance in these verses that I'm not alone, ...my Big Brother, Jesus is standing with me!

Lord bless

 

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I am truly glad to hear that all those eths that cloud my comprehension of King James are a blessing to someone.  

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I've been gone for a while and can hardly remember how to post on here.  I'm rather horrified that we're willing to accept incorrect understanding of words because they bless us spiritually.

I'm all for being blessed,,,,but at the expense of incorrect exegesis?

Jesus said why some would not be known to Him in Mathew 7:23...it has nothing to do with being saved,,,,in this case it has to do with LAWLESSNESS.  Jesus said I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.

Even here Jesus speaks of bearing good fruit.  In Matthew 7:19 He states that every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down.

Jesus spoke very clearly and simply.  He's much easier to understand than Paul, for instance.

 

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On 7/7/2019 at 12:08 AM, Sonshine☀️ said:

One who practices lawlessness has not been called—is not saved.

That's not what those verses are saying.  You've read salvation into the scripture when it's not there.

Jesus is speaking about entering into the narrow gate that leads to life,,,but few find it.

Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing,,,we will know them by their fruit.

Jesus states that every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Not everyone who cries LORD, LORD, but the one who does the will of the Father.

But many will believe they prophecied in the name of Jesus...

and Jesus will declare to them:

"I never knew your, depart from me YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS."

There's no need to wonder what Jesus meant.

He said we're to do the will of the Father and He said those that practice lawlessness will not enter into heaven.

 

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