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Wouldn’t host mean Satan or one of his? (I’m going to read through this later) a “host” to me means a personal being. 

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8 minutes ago, Kristin said:

Wouldn’t host mean Satan or one of his? (I’m going to read through this later) a “host” to me means a personal being. 

Shalom, Kristin.

No, the Hebrew word for "host" is "tsaaVaa'" and refers to an "army."

Here's the entry in A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Hebrew Bible in Strong's Concordance (with corrections):

6635 tsaaVaa' (tsaw-vaw'). appointed time, army, battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, 

Or (feminine) tsVaa'aah {tsev-aw-aw'}; from tsaaVaa'; a mass of persons (or figuratively, things), especially reg. Organized for war (an army); by implication, a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically, hardship, worship)
-- appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war(-fare).

God is frequently called "the LORD of hosts." In Hebrew, this is "YHWH TsVaa'owt," using the feminine plural of this word. The feminine gender is often used to refer to an abstract concept rather than a concrete thing. He is "YHWH of Armies!"

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22 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

No question this is about the transfiguration.   But your argument is going against what Peter is saying to his readers.   This is where your focus is in error.   His readers were not there to see the transfiguration of Jesus as a prophetic vision of his coming with glory and power.   He tells them that the words of the prophets,  as WRITTEN SCRIPTURE,  is a more certain word of prophecy THAN his vision, to which they should give need until the day star arises.   You know what scripture is don't you?   The written word.  To which Peter says, "NO prophecy of the written word, is of any private interpretation."

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

Shalom, Da Puppers.

Sorry, but you're mistaken about Peter's intent. He is not minimizing his prophetic encounter compared to those of the other prophets whose words we read in the rest of the Scriptures.

He is speaking from personal experience regarding the "holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the Ruwach haQodesh." Don't you think he BURNED within, ACHING to share what he saw on the Mount, but was instructed NOT to say anything until after the Messiah Yeshua` rose from the dead?! He SAW FIRST-HAND the Messiah of God coming with brightness and power! He was one of the three who were the "some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power and have seen the Son of man coming in His kingdom!" And, He SAW it come in the vision! Kefa ("Peter") was the ONE who suggested that they put up tents for Yeshua`, Mosheh, and Eliyahuw!

And, as far as your understanding of 2 Peter 1:19-21, the wording is strained in translation. The Greek says it this way:

19 and we hold more firmly the prophetic word, to which you do well taking heed as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until this day shall have dawned and [the] light-bringer shall have arisen in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that all prophetic writing is not of its own interpretation; 21 for prophecy was not brought at any time by [the] will of man, but men spoke from God being carried under [the] Holy Spirit.

The idea here is that prophetic writing doesn't stand alone! It all meshes together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, because they all spoke the words from God, being carried under the SAME Ruwach haQodesh! Peter's writing of that encounter he had is added to the rest as another piece of the puzzle!

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6 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

 Do you believe that Peter was the Pope?   Because you are treating the words of Peter as being infallible long before anyone ever thought of declaring his words as sacred scripture.   The word "more", as in "more sure word of prophecy", in itself implies something in addition to his words (of what he saw).   If the words of Peter,  are of more importance than what the prophets wrote,  he would have reported on more than just the "tent meeting" that they had with Jesus,  Moses, and Elijah.   Besides,  it was the resurrection of Jesus, 

"Rom 1:4 KJV And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:"

that declares to all the world that he is the Son of God WITH POWER,  and not his appearance on the mount of transfiguration.   You have elevated the mere words of Peter above the written word of the prophets,  and thereby installed him as the head of the church.   The church is built upon and continues to exist upon the foundation of the apostles AND prophets, and not on Peter, Eph 2:20.

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

Shalom, Da Puppers.

Nope, not the pope. HOWEVER, He WAS a PROPHET! So were Yochanan ("John") and Sha'uwl "Paulos" ("Paul")! They were NOT just "apostles" ("sent ones")!

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22 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

You got this part right.   Prophetic writing,  aka scripture,  does not stand alone,  i.e., is not of a private nature.   What I can't understand is why you want to put trust in inspiration of man, to the status of fulfilled prophecy,  when Maccabees,  in and of itself, does not identify itself as the fulfilment of Daniel 8.  You repeat that theological error when YOU DECLARE that "all things written"

Luk 21:22 KJV For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN may be fulfilled.

as well as everything found in the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in the 1st century: 

I QUOTE:

All of this occurred in the FIRST CENTURY A.D! I've highlighted a few, identical points in all three, and by means of a "squeeze play," one can identify the following equivalences:

"the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place" =
"the abomination of desolation
, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" =
"
Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh."

And, this happened in the SIEGE of Jerusalem from 66 to 70 A.D! The Romans' BLOCKADE of Jerusalem ended with the destruction - the DESOLATION - of Jerusalem! It's not "rocket science," people! This prophecy of our Lord is FULFILLED!

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

Shalom, Da Puppers.

Well, you've got to be precise in what I said. I quoted the following from the three "Gospels," Matthew, Mark, and Luke:

Matthew 24:9-28 (KJV)

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Mark 13:10-23 (KJV)

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take anything out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Luke 21:10-24 (KJV)

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give such, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land (of ISRAEL), and wrath upon this people (THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL). 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles (non-Israelis), until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And, these portions of the Olivet Discourse WERE fulfilled! However, NOT EVERYTHING in the Olivet Discourse is fulfilled, yet. For instance, the reason why I stopped here in each Gospel was because the next sections won't be fulfilled until His Return!

Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:24-27 (KJV)

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Luke 21:25-28 (KJV)

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

None of these events have happened, yet. (But, they will!) Count the number of "ye's" and "you's" and "your's" in the first sections. Then, count the number of "ye's" and "you's" and "your's" in the second sections. When Yeshua` is said to have used these words, He was talking about His disciples who were sitting on the mount right before Him! Thus, when one sees those words used, one can rest assured that He is talking DIRECTLY TO THEM, NOT US!

However, several times Yeshua` looked off into the distant future into our time and beyond. The final sentences in each of the first sections of these Gospels show the transition of Him looking off into the distant future:

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles (vultures) be gathered together.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles (non-Israelis), until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Mark's account still uses the "ye" and "you," so technically, it should come first among the three.

It took TIME to have several, false "Messiahs" and several, false "prophets" throughout history! They occurred (and may still occur) one at a time for each following that one "Messiah" or "prophet" could generate!

The vultures of "Messiahs" and "prophets" and the Roman occupation siezed the "carcase" of what was left of Israel, including the believers in the "Way," that we call "Christians" and the "churches" today!

The nation of Israel DID "fall by the edge of the Roman sword" and they WERE "led away captive into all nations!" And, Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) has indeed been "trodden down of the Gentiles" for most of the last 2,000 years! If that wasn't true, there wouldn't have been a "Herod the Great" going after Yeshua` when He was born! There wouldn't have been a "centurion" who came to Yeshua`! There wouldn't have been a "Pilate" before whom Yeshua` stood to be condemned! In point of fact, Yerushalayim has been SO "trodden under foot," that the Old City was divided into and now exists in FOUR PARTS, three of which are Gentile!

Matthew's account adds, in passing, that Yeshua` said that His Coming would be "as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west," that is, it would be as OBVIOUS as lightning flashing in the east and everything within sight including things way off in the west would be illuminated by that flash! His Coming wouldn't be "out in the desert" or hidden away in some "inner room" or "closet!"

It also took MUCH TIME for "nations to rise against nations" and "kingdoms against kingdoms" and "great earthquakes, and famines, and pestilences to be in many different places!" These are all clues that a great gap of time would occur before Yeshua` returned!

It will also take TIME for "the gospel of the Kingdom to first be published among all nations," even today! For we've not yet BEGUN to herald the "good news about the coming Kingdom of the Messiah!" Most "Christians" suffer under the delusion that the "kingdom" is already here! That it's not important that the Messiah actually, bodily return! That it's "heaven" that we should look for, not the Resurrection of our physical bodies! There's still a LOT OF WORK to do before we get back to "publishing the good news about the Kingdom among all nations!"

I'm not a "Preterist" by saying that PART of Yeshua`s "Olivet Discourse" was already fulfilled! His Coming is YET TO BE FULFILLED!

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On 7/10/2019 at 4:53 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

You understand what a host is and thats a start.This has nothing to do with the UN or a world governing body.

This actually consists of three subjects.

1-The little horn

2-The host which is given to the little horn so that the sacrifice may be abolished.

3-The king of the north whos army it is.

In the following verse we are told the little horn is given a host(army)to abolish the daily sacrifice.

https://biblehub.com/kjv/daniel/8-12.htm

In the following verse we are told whos army it belongs.

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-31.htm

As we see it is the king of the north that gives the use of his armed forces to the little horn in order to abolish the daily sacrifice.

The little horn is that country who recieves the armed forces of the north.That is Israel.

It is Israel who is given a host by the king if the north in order to abolish the daily sacrifice.

Do you understand why Benjamin Netanyahu was unable to form a goverment this last election?

I will tell you.A sacrifice Israelis must make according to thier law is the problem Netanyahu is facing.With a growing number of haredi and thier reluctance to offer themsrlves to such sacrifice is causing great division within Israel.And the problem is only going to get worse as the country's haredi population outgrows the secular population.Tge haredi population is now 10 petcent but is outpacing the rest of the country.

The sacrifice Israelis make is not a sacrifice to God.It is not the killing of animals.The sacrifice Israelis make is to thier king(thats english for Moloch).At the age of 18 every male and female must offer themselves to thier goverment.Itscalled the draft or conscription.This is Israels greatest dilemma .They need someone to give them an army.An army to just do away with that sacrifice and they need it very soon.

This is a good article to help understand Israels dilemma. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/01/israel-conscription-taxes-netanyahu-resentments-behind-crisis

You lost me on this one.  

Yes, many there are not happy the men in black don’t fight, just pray.....so what are you saying.....they need an army.  Are you saying they need the men in black to fight....or what?

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15 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

Again,  you make more claims of "fulfilled" scripture WITHOUT the support of scripture.   I get it now.   You believe "prophetic writing " equates to being scripture.   And this is why "prophetic writing" does not stand alone.   Let me reiterate what Peter said.   "No prophecy of SCRIPTURE is of private interpretation".  But you think he says that no writing of man,  that I/you believe fulfills scripture,  is not a private interpretation.

You make two mistakes. 

1.  You disregard what the real scriptures say.   All 3 synoptic writers include the parable of the fig tree.   To which,  Matthew says: 

Mat 24:33 KJV So likewise YE, when YE shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors...Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled.

Matthew and Mark both say that ALL these things shall come on "this generation".

Mar 13:30 KJV Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be done.

Included in the list of ALL things that (this generation)  "THEY" shall SEE is Jesus coming in the clouds with power and glory:

Mat 24:30 KJV And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mar 13:26 KJV And then shall THEY see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Luk 21:27 KJV And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory...Luk 21:32 KJV Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Secondly,  you disregard what the scriptures say,  even when you quote them: 

Luk 21:22 KJV For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled.

You need to pay more attention to what God says,  and less of what man says. 

Be Blessed

The PuP 

Shalom, Da Puppers.

Interesting. How do you distinguish between "prophetic writing" and "prophetic SCRIPTURE?" Are you saying that the word "Scripture" is exclusive for the 66 canonical works that have been lumped together and called "the Bible?"

For me, a passage of Scripture, a "writing," is ONLY "prophetic" IF and WHEN the passage contains the statement of a PROPHECY! The fulfillment of a prophecy is NOT "prophecy" itself! 

I think you're still hung up on 1 and 2 Maccabees. It is commonly agreed (and I agree, too) that they are NOT canonical (and the RCC holds them to be "deuterocanonical"). They are not "the Word of God"; they are simply HISTORICAL documents! I don't know for sure, but the way you DISREGARD them suggests to me that they are not important enough to you for you to have ever read them!

They don't have to be "the Word of God" to be accurate history! We have accurate history books today that have NOTHING TO DO with "the Word of God!" We have "history books" WITHIN "the Word of God," and THOSE works you can count on God to have controlled their writing to be 100% accurate in the history they record; however, one should NOT neglect other sources of history!

The word "Maccabees" is NOT a plural word; it is a Helenized Hebrew word that means "Hammer." It applied to the son of a priest by the name of Mattathias (again, Helenized). That son's name was Yhudah or Helenized as "Judas." Judas Maccabees (or Yhudah the "Hammer") was the hero involved in the successful Hasmonean revolt against the Seleucid Empire under the then-current reign of Antiochus IV "Epiphanes." GOD HIMSELF made that revolt successful, whether you want to include 1 & 2 Maccabees as part of the "Word of God" or not!

Regarding my "two mistakes,"

1. I do NOT "disregard what the real scriptures say!" And, I take that as a PERSONAL assault!

1a. I find it very revealing that you would quote Matthew 24:33 and 35, but skip over verse 34! Let's look at the WHOLE thing, shall we, and in all three Gospels?

Matthew 24:32-35 (KJV)

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender (green, supple), and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh (close): 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:28-31 (KJV)

28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 21:29-33 (KJV)

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Sometimes, "all things" are NOT "ALL things!"

First, note that the "fig tree" is NOT "representative" of ANYTHING. It's simply a ratio equation:

When the branches of the fig tree and ALL THE TREES were green with quick and they're budding, one knows that summer is almost upon him, ...

IN LIKE MANNER, when you shall see all THESE things, know that it is close, even at the threshhold!

However, before one reads verse 35, Yeshua` also said in verse 34 (which you skipped), "Truly I tell you, THIS generation shall not pass, until all these things be fulfilled." IF "all these things" are indeed talking about "ALL these things," then we MUST be FULL PRETERISTS and believe that the "ALL these things" included the coming of the Messiah, too!

And, contrary to popular teaching that this is about some "future generation," He didn't SAY that, either! He said, "THIS generation," talking about "when YE shall see all these things!" THEY - the DISCIPLES seated upon that Mount of Olives that day - were the "THIS generation!"

That's the reasoning that one should take IF "all these things" are indeed talking about "ALL these things."

However, while the word "all" CAN refer to "the entire amount," it may also be QUALIFIED by the modifiers that also exist in the sentence or paragraph or discourse.

I submit to you that ONLY those parts that directly addressed them with the words "ye" or "you" or "your" are the "all" of this statement. Over the rest they had no control, not being personally involved since it would be in the future beyond their lifetimes, nor would they PERSONALLY "see" the rest, being dead and awaiting the Resurrection!

I'll let you think on these thoughts before going on.

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2 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

Nothing to ponder.   You esteem the mere writings of men to be the words of God and ascribe "fulfilment" to things that are yet to be fulfilled. 

1.  Luk 21:22 KJV For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

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Shalom, Da Puppers.

Nope. Although you'd like to believe that, it's just not true. I do NOT "esteem the mere writings of men to be the words of God," and you need to be careful what you assert! God is watching and taking notes! On the other hand, the FULFILLMENT of Scriptural prophecy does NOT have to be found in Scripture!

Think about it: All of God's prophecies (written down by HUMAN prophets, btw), OT and NT, are completely written, and the Scriptures have been CLOSED! There are no more additions to the Scriptures. HOWEVER, there are still "open prophecies"; that is, prophecies that have NOT been fulfilled, yet. So, when they ARE fulfilled in the future, there will be NO Scripture written about it! These fulfillments will be recorded by human historians! That's NOT a bad thing! Most historians are as truthful as they can be from their point of view. Even if the history record is erroneous, one can always "consider the source," and "read the truth between the lines!"

Case in point: Josephus. He was a Helenized Jew who translated and recorded history for the Romans in the 60s A.D. He sympathized with the Jews, but he couldn't show support for them. He couldn't intercede for them! All he could do was write down what he saw and experienced. He could leave for us his eye-witness account, and his words are among those who wrote about the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

You quote Luke 21:22. Have you asked yourself WHOSE "vengeance?"

Luke 21:20-24 (KJV)

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it (Jerusalem) depart out; and let not them that are in the countries (the fields) enter thereinto (into Jerusalem). 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written (about Jerusalem's destruction) may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people (the children of Israel, especially the Jews - the children of Yhudah). 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

We are IN those "times of the Gentiles" today! This is Yeshua`s ("Jesus'") prophecy  (hence the red letters) against His OWN people! You don't think He shed a tear or two for them?! He had to pronounce them "DESOLATE" just a chapter before! They CRUCIFIED Him soon after this prophecy! He was BURIED in a tomb! He would ARISE FROM THE DEAD and walk once more among them (although most probably didn't recognize Him anymore than His own disciples did), and He was transported off-world before they could finish "counting the omer!" He KNEW they were about to enter these "days of vengeance," and loved them anyway; however, they had made their choice! He had to obey His Father, but it was His FATHER'S vengeance they would suffer for REJECTING AND CRUCIFYING HIS SON! It was GOD'S "wrath upon this people!"

If you think this passage is about a near-future event for us, ask yourself a series of questions: What good would "fleeing to the mountains" do today? With our drones and infrared cameras searching for "heat signatures," what good would it do? So they leave Jerusalem, so what? With air surveillance, snipers, and ATVs as well as motorcycles, what makes you think that would help them to get away? Ask yourself who uses swords anymore? Why single out "pregnant women" and "nursing women" as being especially vulnerable? They would have the greatest advantage in today's warfare! Almost all countries adhere to the Geneva Convention's rules of warfare and prisoner treatment!

No, this was all about the FIRST CENTURY and the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, and the diaspora of the Jews.

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On 7/9/2019 at 4:36 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

Who here understands what the host is that is given to the little horn?

The host is the military of the EU. 

Following Gog/Magog, the little horn person will move his EU military into middle east on the premise of keeping peace in the region.   But the underlying reason will be to secure all of the middle east oil for the EU.

He will be the prince who shall come to Israel and the middle east in Daniel 9:26.

The Jews, Israel, will believe the person is the messiah, and the false prophet will anoint the person the King of Israel, making the person the Antichrist.     He will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, to begin the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

The forth coming temple will be completed and animal sacrifices will begin on day 220 of the 7 years.   Day 2520 - 2300 days.

In the middle part of the 7 years, he will go into that temple, sit, claim to have achieved God-hood.  And stop the daily sacrifices.   The Jews will be mortified and reject him from continuing as their King of Israel - ending his time as being in the role of the Antichrist.

He begins to persecute the Jews for rejecting him.    And God will have him killed, Ezekiel 28:1-10, for his outlandish claim.

In Isaiah 14, the slain revealed man of sin finds his soul in hell.    But God in disdain for the person doesn't let him stay there and brings him back to life.   Isaiah 14:19-20.

Coming back to life , the person becomes the beast of Revelation 13, who kills the two witnesses in Revelation 11.   After 3 1/2 days, the two witnesses come back, ascend to heaven, leaving this world.     The beast then rules the remainder of the 7 years unimpeded by the two witnesses who will no longer be on earth.

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (called 42 months) = 2520 days, the 7 years.

During the 42 months, the military of the EU, the kingdom of the beast, will occupy Israel and the middle-east.    That is the host given to him.     During which time, there will be no worship or praise of the One True God in the temple.

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As the little horn, and then later as the beast - he will be the King of the Roman Empire of the end times, the EU

As the Antichrist - he will be the King of Israel for a while, as Israel and the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking they have entered the messianic age following Gog/Magog.

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, douggg said:

The host is the military of the EU. 

Following Gog/Magog, the little horn person will move his EU military into middle east on the premise of keeping peace in the region.   But the underlying reason will be to secure all of the middle east oil for the EU.

He will be the prince who shall come to Israel and the middle east in Daniel 9:26.

The Jews, Israel, will believe the person is the messiah, and the false prophet will anoint the person the King of Israel, making the person the Antichrist.     He will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, to begin the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

The forth coming temple will be completed and animal sacrifices will begin on day 220 of the 7 years.   Day 2520 - 2300 days.

In the middle part of the 7 years, he will go into that temple, sit, claim to have achieved God-hood.  And stop the daily sacrifices.   The Jews will be mortified and reject him from continuing as their King of Israel - ending his time as being in the role of the Antichrist.

He begins to persecute the Jews for rejecting him.    And God will have him killed, Ezekiel 28:1-10, for his outlandish claim.

In Isaiah 14, the slain revealed man of sin finds his soul in hell.    But God in disdain for the person doesn't let him stay there and brings him back to life.   Isaiah 14:19-20.

Coming back to life , the person becomes the beast of Revelation 13, who kills the two witnesses in Revelation 11.   After 3 1/2 days, the two witnesses come back, ascend to heaven, leaving this world.     The beast then rules the remainder of the 7 years unimpeded by the two witnesses who will no longer be on earth.

1260 days + 3.5 days + 1256.5 days (called 42 months) = 2520 days, the 7 years.

During the 42 months, the military of the EU, the kingdom of the beast, will occupy Israel and the middle-east.    That is the host given to him.     During which time, there will be no worship or praise of the One True God in the temple.

_______________________________________________________________________________

As the little horn, and then later as the beast - he will be the King of the Roman Empire of the end times, the EU

As the Antichrist - he will be the King of Israel for a while, as Israel and the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking they have entered the messianic age following Gog/Magog.

Shalom, douggg.

Nice piece of fiction, but as I've said in other threads, Daniel 9:26 does NOT talk about the "antiChrist." 

Daniel 9:24-27 (KJV)

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
(1) to finish the transgression, and
(2) to make an end of sins, and
(3) to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
(4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
(5) to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
(6) to anoint the most Holy. 

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven (7) weeks, and threescore and two (3 x 20 + 2 = 60 + 2 = 62) weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 
27 And
(1) he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and
(2) in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and
(3) for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In English, you will only find the "prince that shall come" as a CLAUSE WITHIN A PREPOSITIONAL PHRASE! As such, it cannot participate in the sentence with the main verbs!

In Hebrew, this is also true because the "prince" is a subordinate noun in a noun construct state! That's why it is translated with an "of" between the nouns, before the word "nagiyd," translated "prince!" Also, in Hebrew, the sentence doesn't end in verse 26. It continues into verse 27!

Therefore, the verbs that IMPLY the translation with the word "he" in verse 27 refer back to "Messiah" in verse 26, NOT to the "prince!"

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