Alternative Timeline? Comparing the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments

[Revelation Man]

20 hours ago, Spock said:

Greetings again Church and fellow prophecy seekers:

Our dear sister, Marilyn, has turned me on to a timeline that I am now  looking hard at.  She believes the 6 seals are spread throughout the entire 70th week with the 6th obviously being where Christ returns to the planet to rule and reign. She has both the trumpets and bowls inside the seals, not in consecutive order.  This timeline has made me look harder at the judgments, in particular, the trumpet and bowl judgments.  

The main motive of this thread is to look at an alternative timeline, one that is not the usual consecutive one where trumpets follow seals and bowls follow trumpets.  Do you see a possibility the judgments are NOT consecutive? 

Surprisingly, I noticed each one corresponds to the other....in other words the first trumpet is similar to the first bowl, and so forth. Here is a readers digest synopsis of the 7 judgments for each:

Trumpets.......Bowls

1. Trumpet: Affects EARTH..trees, grass...Bowls: poured onto EARTH

2. Trumpet: affects the SEA.......Bowls: poured into the SEA

3. Trumpet: fell on the RIVERS.......Bowl: poured into the RIVERS and springs

4. Trumpet: third of the SUN, moon, and stars were smitten.......Bowl: poured upon the SUN 

5. Trumpet: star fallen from heaven (Satan?), key to abyss opened and smoke DARKENED Sun.......Bowl: poured upon the Beast throne, and his kingdom became DARKENED, leading to much pain 

6. Trumpet: release angels bound at the EUPHRATES RIVER, 1/3 men killed..........Bowl: poured upon the EUPHRATES RIVER, to gather the kings to battle

7. Trumpet: the kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and He will reign forever.........Bowl: a voice out of the Temple says  “it is finished”  

Side note just before release of the 7th trumpet: “ in that hour a great earthquake and 1/10 of Jerusalem fell.......7th Bowl: great earthquake, Jerusalem was split into 3 parts

Conclusion and Questions to ask: It seems pretty obvious to me the trumpets and bowls in order are similar in affecting their intended result. So, is it possible each overlap? Are the bowls just giving us more detail of the trumpets?  Are they thus necessarily consecutive, or can they be released concurrently?  Is it possible the seal Judgments can be opened throughout the 70th week and end at the final battle that brings Christ back down just before he establishes his MK?  I look forward to reading your answers and reading your thoughts. 

I have pasted all necessary scripture at the bottom so you don’t have to go far to find them to look at.  I am opening up this thread to provoke thought, conversation, and an exchange of ideas. We are the Body of Christ so let us support each member with our gifts, talents, and wisdom.

 

TRUMPET JUDGMENTS:

7Then the first angel sounded his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, along with a third of the trees and all the green grass.

8Then the second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10Then the third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star burning like a torch fell from heaven and landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water.11The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter like wormwood oil, and many people died from the bitter waters.

12Then the fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun and moon and stars were struck. A third of the stars were darkened, a third of the day was without light, and a third of the night as well.

1Then the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth, and it was given the key to the pit of the Abyss. 2The star opened the pit of the Abyss, and smoke rose out of it like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit.

3And out of the smoke, locusts descended on the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion. 6In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.

7And the locusts looked like horses prepared for battle, with something like crowns of gold on their heads, and faces like the faces of men. 8They had hair like that of women, and teeth like those of lions. 9They also had thoraxes like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the roar of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails with stingers like scorpions, which had the power to injure people for five months. 11They were ruled by a king, the angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon,a and in Greek it is Apollyon.b

12The first woe has passed. Behold, two woes are still to follow.

13Then the sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God 14saying to the sixth angel with the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”

15So the four angels who had been prepared for this hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16And the number of mounted troops was two hundred million; I heard their number.

17Now the horses and riders in my vision looked like this: The riders had breastplates the colors of fire, sapphire, and brimstone. The heads of the horses were like the heads of lions, and out of their mouths proceeded fire, smoke, and brimstone. 18A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke, and brimstone that proceeded from their mouths. 19For the power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; indeed, their tails were like snakes, having heads with which to inflict harm.

15Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven: 

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

 

 

BOWL JUDGMENTS:

the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and loathsome, malignant sores broke out on those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

3And the second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it turned to blood like that of the dead, and every living thing in the sea died.

4And the third angel poured out his bowl into the rivers and springs of water, and they turned to blood. 5And I heard the angel of the waters say: 

“Righteous are You, O Holy One, who is and who was, because You have brought these judgments.6For they have spilled the blood of saints and prophets, and You have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”7And I heard the altar reply: “Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are Your judgments.”

8Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given power to scorch the people with fire. 9And the people were scorched by intense heat, and they cursed the name of God, who had authority over these plagues; yet they did not repent and give Him glory.

10And the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness, and men began to gnaw their tongues in anguish 11and curse the God of heaven for their pains and sores; yet they did not repent of their deeds.

12And the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings of the East.

13And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs coming out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. 14These are demonic spirits that perform signs and go out to all the kings of the earth, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God, the Almighty.

15“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”

16And they assembled the kings in the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

17Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, “It is done!”

18And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake. 19The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. And God remembered Babylon the great and gave her the cup of the wine of the fury of His wrath.

20Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found. 21And huge hailstones, about a hundred pounds each,a rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous.

The Trumpets and Vials are not the same, the 1/3 Trumpet Judgments are showing God warning people one last time before he brings His final Judgment. Rev. 8:13 tells us there are THREE WOES left to sound. Thus the 1st Woe is the 5th Trumpet, the 2nd Woe is the 6th Trumpet and the 3rd Woe is the 7th Trumpet, AND the 3rd Woe = All 7 Vials. That is why in Rev. 11 it says the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus takes over. Because after the 7 Vials Jesus takes over {Rev. 16} and he 7th Trumpet is the last woe or all 7 Vials. The 7 Trumpets come out of the 7th Seal, so they are all interconnected and thus can't be the same events. Jesus basically, via his Wrath, releases the 6 Seals....then the 7th Seal brings the 7 Trumpets which ends with three Woes, and the Last Woe is all 7 Vials that fall on mankind. 

All three earthquakes are described as different entities. God is Judging "Babylon" or the whole world, there are no Angels bound in the Euphrates River, it means they are bound to an "Appointed Time" and thus its time to slay 1/3 of all mankind who have the Mark of the Beast, the river is used symbolically because Babylon stands as the Head of Gold in this symbolic reference. The Kings of the East in the 6th Vial is also symbolic, God in Rev. 16:19 says those Nations He destroys reminds him of Babylon and thus he gives them His Wrath. No one thinks the Euphrates River will actually have to be dried up for a modern day Army to cross it right ? Its symbolic, God is orchestrating their desires, its like saying God puts a hook in their mouth. 

The reason the Euphrates River is used is that God is spotlighting the Beast Systems down through the ages as to why His Wrath is justified. Let's count the actual participants in the LAST GREAT WAR at Armageddon. It says a Demon Spirit Frog went out and entices ALL THE KINGS of the WHOLE WORLD to the battle...so why wasn't that enough ? Why mention the Kings of the East ? Because God is pointing out the Wickedness of Mankind down through the Ages !! We know that the European Union {Rome Revived} with Greece as a part of that country {2 of the 4 Beasts} are leading this War....then we get this, The Kings of the East via the Euphrates River, this is pointing to Iran/Iraq or Babylon and Persia. Its Gods way of saying, I am judging mankind for ALL of your evils down through ALL TIME !! God could have just stated that ALL the Kings of the Whole World would be gathered at Armageddon, but instead He wanted to point out all the players throughout the History of the world. He is Judging the earth for ALL its sin. 

So the River Euphrates has ZERO to do with China crossing it like many think, and God has bound no Angels in that river either. 

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It kinda Works like this. Day 1-1260 is the Fake Peace or the first half of the 70th Week. 

Day 1261, the first day of the Beasts 1260 day rule is Jesus opening the 1st 6 Seals. The Anti-Christ is released to bring to pass the First Four Seals, and thus the 5th Seal is the testimony of his vile ways. The 6th Seal is also opened at the same time, thus Satan is cast down on day 1261 and thus chases the Women in the Wilderness for 1260 days. God holds up the 7th Seal until the Fleeing Jews {144,000 metaphorically speaking} can make it to the Petra/Bozrah area of safety God has decided to protect them in. 

Then God opens the 7th Seal which is the Trumpet Judgments of course. They hurt the Earth, Trees and Seas in 1/3's meaning the next Judgments or the coming 7 Vials {3rd Woe} will be judgments in FULL not in 1/3's. Thus the sun and moon is blotted out by 1/3 in the Fourth Trumpet, but its pitch Black via the Vials, so they are different Judgments. 

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The Three Earthquakes

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev. 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done {Means there are no more Judgments, NOW SEE Rev. 11:14, it says the 3rd Woe is STILL TO COME, thus they CAN NOT be the same events !! }. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

1.) Rev. 6:12-13, God's Wrath is shown to have been released, and Satan has been cast to earth via the untimely figs.

2.) Rev. 11:13-14 is not the same Earthquake event as Rev. 16, we see the 2nd Woe is passed in Rev. 11 and the 3rd Woe is yet to come, but in Rev. 16:17-19 it says that the Angel says IT IS DONE !! There is nothing to follow, so these are not, not can they be the SAME EVENTS !!

Edited July 12, 2019 by Revelation Man

[missmuffet]

Question: "What are the seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls (vials) in the Book of Revelation?"

Answer: The seven seals (Revelation 6:1–17; 8:1–5), seven trumpets (Revelation 8:6–9:21; 11:15–19), and seven bowls/vials (Revelation 16:1–21) are three series of end-times judgments from God. The judgments get increasingly worse and more devastating as the end times progress. The seven seals, trumpets, and bowls are connected to one another. The seventh seal introduces the seven trumpets (Revelation 8:1–5), and the seventh trumpet introduces the seven bowls (Revelation 11:15–19; 15:1–8).

The seven seals include the appearance of the Antichrist (Revelation 6:1–2), great warfare (Revelation 6:3–4), famine (Revelation 6:5–6), plague (Revelation 6:7–8), the martyrdom of believers in Christ (Revelation 6:9–11), a devastating earthquake causing terrible devastation, and astronomical upheaval (Revelation 6:12–14). Those who survive the six seals are right to cry out, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” (Revelation 6:16–17).

The seventh seal introduces the seven trumpet judgments. The trumpets include hail and fire that destroy much of the plant life in the world (Revelation 8:7), the death of much of the world’s aquatic life (Revelation 8:8–9; 8:10–11), the darkening of the sun and moon (Revelation 8:12), a plague of “demonic locusts” that torture the unsaved (Revelation 9:1–11), and the march of a demonic army that kills a third of humanity (Revelation 9:12–21).

The seventh trumpet calls forth seven angels who carry the seven bowls of God’s wrath (Revelation 11:15–19; 15:1–8). The bowl judgments include painful sores afflicting humanity (Revelation 16:2), the death of every living thing in the sea (Revelation 16:3), the turning of rivers to blood (Revelation 16:4–7), an intensifying of the sun’s heat (Revelation 16:8–9), great darkness and an intensification of the sores from the first bowl (Revelation 16:10–11), the advance the Antichrist’s armies at Armageddon (Revelation 16:12–14), and a devastating earthquake followed by giant hailstones (Revelation 16:15–21).

Together, the seals, trumpets, and bowls of the end times comprise “the great day of [God’s] wrath” (Revelation 6:17) and serve to judge the Antichrist’s kingdom of wickedness. Revelation 16:5–7 declares of God, “You are just in these judgments, you who are and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged; for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve. . . . Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments.”

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Edited July 12, 2019 by missmuffet

[Spock]

46 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Trumpet and Vial are not the same, the 1/3 Trumpet Judgments are showing God warning people on last time before he brings His final Judgment. Rev. 8:13 tells us there are THREE WOES left to sound. Thus the 1st Woe is the 5th Trumpet, the 2nd Woe is the 6th Trumpet and the 3rd Woe is the 7th Trumpet, AND the 3rd Woe = All 7 Vials. That is why in Rev. 11 it says the 7th Trumpet sounds and Jesus takes over. Because after the 7 Vials Jesus takes over {Rev. 16} and he 7th Trumpet is the last woe or all 7 Vials. The 7 Trumpets come out of the 7th Seal, so they are all interconnected and thus can't be the same events. Jesus basically via his Wrath releases the 6 Seal....then the 7 Seal brings the 7 Trumpets which ends with three Woes, and the Last Woe is all 7 Vials that fall on mankind. 

 

All three earthquakes are described as different entities. God is Judging "Babylon" or the whole world, these are no Angels bound in the Euphrates River, it means they are bound to an "Appointed Time" and thus its time to slay 1/3 of all mankind who have the Mark of the Beast, the river is used symbolically because Babylon stands as the Head of Gold in this symbolic reference. The Kings of the East in the 6th Vial is also symbolic, God in Rev. 16:19 says those Nations He destroys reminds him of Babylon and thus he gives them His Wrath. No one thinks the Euphrates River will actually have to be dried up for a modern day Army to cross it right ? Its symbolic, God is orchestrating their desires, its like saying God puts a hook in their mouth. 

The reason the Euphrates River is used is God is spotlighting the Beast Systems down through the ages as to why His Wrath is justified. Lets count the actual participants in the LAST GREAT WAR at Armageddon. It says a Demon Spirit Frog went out and entices ALL THE KINGS of the WHOLE WORLD to the battle...so why wasn't that enough ? Why mention the Kings of the East ? Because God is pointing out the Wickedness of Mankind down through the Ages !! We know that the European Union {Rome Revived} with Greece as a part of that country {2 of the 4 Beasts} are leading this War....then we get this, The Kings of the East via the Euphrates River, this is pointing to Iran/Iraq or Babylon and Persia. Its Gods way of saying, I am judging mankind for ALL of your evils down through ALL TIME !! God could have just stated that ALL the Kings o the Whole World would be gathered at Armageddon, but instead He wanted to point out all the players throughout the History of the world. He is Judging the earth for ALL its sin. 

So the River Euphrates has ZERO to do with China crossing it like many think, and God has bound no Angels in that river either. 

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It kinda Works like this. Day 1-1260 is the Fake Peace or the first half of the 70th Week. 

Day 1261 the first day of the Beasts 1260 day rule is Jesus opening the 1st 6 Seals. The Anti-Christ is released to bring to pass the First Four Seals, and thus the 5th Seal is the testimony of his vile ways. The 6th Seal is also opened at the same time, thus Satan is cast down on day 1261 and thus chases the Women in the Wilderness for 1260 days. God holds up the 7th Seal until the Fleeing Jews {144,000 metaphorically speaking} can make it to the Petra/Bozrah area of safety God has decided to protect them in. 

Then God opens the 7th Seal which is the Trumpet Judgments of course. They hurt the Earth, Trees and Seas in 1/3's meaning the next Judgments or the coming 7 Vials {3rd Woe} wil be judgments in FULL not in 1/3's. Thus the sun and moon is blotted out by 1/3 in the Fourth Trumpet, but its pitch Black via the Vials, so they are different Judgments. 

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The Three Earthquakes

Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev. 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done {Means there are no more Judgments, NOW SEE Rev. 11:14, it says the 3rd Woe is STILL TO COME, thus they CAN NOT be the same events !! }. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

1.) Rev. 6:12-13, Gods Wrath is is show to have been released, and Satan has been cast to earth via the untimely figs.

2.) Rev. 11:13-14 is not the same Earthquake event as Rev. 16, we see the 2nd Woe is passed in Rev. 11 and the 3rd Woe is yet to come, but in Rev. 16:17-19 says that the Angel says IT IS DONE !! There is nothing to follow, so these are not, not can they be the SAME EVENTS !!

Your timeline has always intrigued me too.  What I like the most is that it makes the first 3.5 years basically a time of peace with no real calamities to impede the time of peace (temple going up, sacrifices resumed, antichrist growing in stature peacefully).  

[dhchristian]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

and God has bound no Angels in that river either. 

Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. Rev 9:14

Is this verse just allegorical?

[ENOCH2010]

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. Rev 9:14

Is this verse just allegorical?

He's a pre-tribber he gets to make it up as he goes to make the pre-trib doctrine sound better.

 

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, Spock said:

Your timeline has always intrigued me too.  What I like the most is that it makes the first 3.5 years basically a time of peace with no real calamities to impede the time of peace (temple going up, sacrifices resumed, antichrist growing in stature peacefully).  

I am not sure the Sacrifices are ever readministered. They might be, they might be done in secret afraid of the P.C. fall out, but who knows. I know why people think that, but I look at it different. The Sacrifice Daniel sees as being TAKEN AWAY, doesn't have to be the old ritual sacrifice. It can be the Worship of Jesus in the Temple of God. Remember, Gabriel gave this Prophetic uttering unto Daniel, so if the False Prophet {who I think is a High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus} gets angry that the 1/3 who repent Before the Day of the Lord {First Seal} are worshipping Jesus in the Temple of God, he's going to go ballistic, and it seems he thus stops the "SACRIFICE" or worshipping of Jesus THE SACRIFICE.........AND...........Places the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple {Image of the E.U. President}, at the 1290 which happens 30 days before the 1260. 

THE 1335 COMES BEFORE THE 1290 AND THE 1290 COMES BEFORE THE 1260. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. Rev 9:14

Is this verse just allegorical?

Yes, it could be said that way.....or it could be said that the Prophecy never meant the Angels were bound in the River, but were bound to an APPOINTED TIME, which if we study the passage, is really what it means. In other words, they lead the 200 Million which is an Angelic Army that slays 1/3 of mankind, but only those that have the Mark of the Beast, hence these are plagues.

Rev. 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Via my original KJV study guide site with a link to Strong's. Lets look at a couple of words.....

Rev. 9:14 Saying 3004 z5723 to the x3588 sixt 1623 Angel 32 which 3739 had 2192 z5707 the x3588 trumpet, 4536 Loose 3089 z5657 the x3588 foure 5064 Angels 32 which y3588 are bound 1210 z5772 in 1909 the x3588 great 3173 riuer 4215 Euphrates. 2166

So does the Greek word EPI really mean....IN ? Lets see via Strong's.

#1909 ἐπί epi {ep-ee'} a root; TDNT - n/a; prep

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) upon, on, at, by, before 2) of position, on, at, by, over, against 3) to, over, on, at, across, against

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

A primary preposition properly meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution [with the genitive case], that is, over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.:—about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, [where-]) fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-) on (behalf of) over, (by, for) the space of, through (-out), (un-) to (-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).

—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

The Greek word EPI literally NEVER means IN.....it can mean at, on, by, via a superimposition of time, place, order, it can mean over, upon, towards, against, among, beside, at, or in a place or in as much as or in the time of, but not just IN.....

This is basically what it means, the Four Angels are Bound to {Appointed to} a Time, Place, Event. Verse 14 tells us that. The Four Angels prepared for an HOUR, a DAY, a MONTH and a YEAR !! In other words they are prepared for a SPECIFIC POINT in time, to slay 1/3 of mankind. 

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Its clear the 200 Million are not Chinese, they are an Angelic Army, led by Four Angels who have a date with Destiny. They are APPOINTED to an Hour, a day a month and a year, to slay 1/3 of mankind at/around/close by etc. etc. the Euphrates River. 

So maybe its more Confusion in this case than Metaphor. 

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said:

He's a pre-tribber he gets to make it up as he goes to make the pre-trib doctrine sound better.

 

To dazzling for you I see.

[dhchristian]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

So maybe its more Confusion in this case than Metaphor. 

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. (1Cor 14:33)

This goes for all here trying to discover an alternative timeline. Simplicity in the end will be the confirmation of accuracy, Not word games and multiple meanings. Strong's is a great tool when used rightly, But it can also be used to say exactly the opposite of the plain text of scripture would indicate. Many words have multiple meanings, for example I just did a brief study on the Hebrew Word "Chomer" Which means slime, Daubing, clay, pitch, or mortar, as in holding bricks together, But it is also a unit of measurement, a Homer in English. Now this example should be obvious by the context as to the meaning intended, whether it is a meant to be  a unit of measure, Or a reference to Mortar, But other words such as Epi, can be twisted so much to mean whatever you want it to mean.

As For Pre-tribbers, I would not exclude them from this conversation just because of this. Ultimately if this alternative timeline has any merit, It will have to convince even them. Iron sharpens Iron, and having differing viewpoints is beneficial, so long as you do not descend into Name calling and Backbiting and can debate the fact with civility.  

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, dhchristian said:

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. (1Cor 14:33)

This goes for all here trying to discover an alternative timeline. Simplicity in the end will be the confirmation of accuracy, Not word games and multiple meanings. Strong's is a great tool when used rightly, But it can also be used to say exactly the opposite of the plain text of scripture would indicate. Many words have multiple meanings, for example I just did a brief study on the Hebrew Word "Chomer" Which means slime, Daubing, clay, pitch, or mortar, as in holding bricks together, But it is also a unit of measurement, a Homer in English. Now this example should be obvious by the context as to the meaning intended, whether it is a meant to be  a unit of measure, Or a reference to Mortar, But other words such as Epi, can be twisted so much to mean whatever you want it to mean.

All that is great brother, but if you think I base my studies off of one word you have no understanding of how I operate. That is just a supplemental diagnoses that proves the 200 Million are not Humans.

1. There are 70 million Horses in the Whole world, but that could be Metaphoric. 2. No Modern Armies have troubles crossing rivers...EXCEPT, that is in Rev. 16 anyway {Kings of the East}. The Demons in Woe 1 have Breastplates of Iron, these 200 Million are like unto the Israeli High Priests.

They have breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue and sulfur yellow, thus the horsemen equate to the breastplate worn by the high priest. Exodus 28:15 You shall make the breastplate of judgment. Artistically woven according to the workmanship of the ephod you shall make it: of gold, blue, purple, and scarlet thread, and fine wove, linen, you shall make it.

Logic tells us that God doesn't bind Angels in a River, these are Angels delivering PLAGUES, they are not Demons. Then when you study the whole passage as I have, its more akin to an APPOINTED TIME. Try studying the whole passage and you will see it in a different light I assume. The fact is we have to get the words right, it doesn't mean IN....and its about an Appointed time. Just like Rev. 1:1 doesn't say Jesus is coming back SOON....It means hes coming back QUICKLY or in a FLASH when he returns at the Second Coming. 

10 hours ago, dhchristian said:

As For Pre-tribbers, I would not exclude them from this conversation just because of this. Ultimately if this alternative timeline has any merit, It will have to convince even them. Iron sharpens Iron, and having differing viewpoints is beneficial, so long as you do not descend into Name calling and Backbiting and can debate the fact with civility.  

There is no alternative timeline, there is Gods timeline.  You asked a question and I answered it....It is not allegorical, it is about a real 200 Million Angelic Army led by four angels. The other guy brought the Timing of the Rapture up. There is zero doubt the Pre Trib is correct, but I can speak about other things also, but facts are facts. 

Edited July 13, 2019 by Revelation Man