johnthebaptist Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Who me said: How do you or how will you, know they have repented? Luke 17, the passage no one ever turns to on forgiveness says, if they repent, they come to you. Which if you think about it, if one has done wrong, one goes and says sorry. So have you apologized to everyone you know for every sin you've committed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: So have you apologized to everyone you know for every sin you've committed? Why should I apologise to you for sins done a life time ago? Where I have offended someone I say sorry to them. If my concsience tells me that I drove very badly this morning. I can't find those people on the road this morning so have to leave it with God. Those three should make it cl;earer to you. Without repentance there is no forgiveness. It is a simple teaching of the bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleStudent100 Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 411 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 354 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2019 As imperfect humans, we have many faults. We can never pay back to God the huge debt we have accumulated because of transgressing against him. All we can do is seek his forgiveness. And God is ready to forgive all our failings, provided we forgive our brothers for sins they have committed against us. What a forceful lesson that is! After all, Jesus taught his followers to pray: “Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.”—Matthew 6:12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Who me said: Why should I apologise to you for sins done a life time ago? Where I have offended someone I say sorry to them. If my concsience tells me that I drove very badly this morning. I can't find those people on the road this morning so have to leave it with God. Those three should make it cl;earer to you. Without repentance there is no forgiveness. It is a simple teaching of the bible. So why would you expect someone to apologize to you for their sins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said: So why would you expect someone to apologize to you for their sins? Why should I forgive someone who will not appologise/repent. Forgiveness is always linked to repentance. No where in the bible does God forgive without there being repentance, why would you make demands on vunerable people to do what is not a biblical requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Who me said: Why should I forgive someone who will not appologise/repent. Forgiveness is always linked to repentance. No where in the bible does God forgive without there being repentance, why would you make demands on vunerable people to do what is not a biblical requirement. If you require people to apologize for their sin, then you will be required to apologize for your sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2019 Just now, johnthebaptist said: If you require people to apologize for their sin, then you will be required to apologize for your sin. I have and I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2019 If apology was required for our forgiveness, Jesus wouldn’t have told us to forgive our enemies. He told us in Matthew to forgive friends, enemies, and everyone in between. No fine print regarding apologies. No matter how many times a day they offend us. Confronting a brother in Matthew 18 is not for our own personal validation. That brother has an offensive quality he isn’t dealing with, and it needs to be dealt with for the sake of his soul. If he refuses to listen, he’s in a state of open rebellion and is therefore to be regarded as a person in sin. You can still speak to him, but you’ll have to keep in mind you are essentially witnessing to a sinner. All sin is ultimately a sin against God. People offend us, but it isn’t our law they are breaking. Their offenses simply reveal their lawlessness and provide a chance for counsel. This is how Jesus told people in the gospels their sins were forgiven although they hadn’t ‘sinned against’ Him personally. The rulers were shocked that any human would presume to offer forgiveness for wrongs done to others. Jesus could forgive them because all sins are indeed a sin against God. David acknowledged this after he sinned with Bathsheeba. Exacting an apology to make yourself feel better is not endorsed by Scripture. All confrontations about sin/offense should be aimed at plucking that soul from the enemy’s snare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, Who me said: I have and I do. For every sin you've ever committed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,089 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,833 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/11/2019 at 7:09 PM, LeeGreenForest said: Is it supposed to be to all people unconditionally or only to people who repent and ask? The reason I ask is because I might have read in a GotQuestions question and answer that you're only supposed to forgive if someone repents and asks (might not have gotten that right) and it's not supposed to be unconditional and for everyone. Right now though I'm going with unconditional forgiveness and for everyone. if you hold something against someone unrepentant, even if it is justified, think about who that hurts..... he/she really doesn't care so it is the person holding the thing in that suffers from it..... just let it go and forgive them.... but let them know about it..... but you don't have to forget about it and don't put yourself in the position again. My two cents about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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