Nadjeschda Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 41 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,784 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 11,227 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 The heart of man and woman are wicked. Always was. Always will be, without Christ. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,784 Content Per Day: 6.23 Reputation: 11,227 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 I am confused by your posts about your beliefs in the Lord. Who do you believe Jesus is? What do you think He died for? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 763 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,897 Content Per Day: 3.09 Reputation: 1,976 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 Don't understand what the OP is tryin to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,272 Content Per Day: 1.73 Reputation: 1,677 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, Nadjeschda said: A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die. Only those who have accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour will get to heaven. The west rejects Christian morality. So why do you apply a morality that society does not use. Please remember that evolution does not teach that the weak should be helpped, rather it teaches exploit, kill and eat the weak. Why should a nonchristian help others? Actually a better question is why do nonchristians help others? Red nose day etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,864 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,618 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Nadjeschda said: A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die. I understand your feelings, however I don't think you can put this on the whole human race. You may not have people helping others where you live, but here in the USA we do help people a lot. We also give a lot to third world countries that the local governments do not pass on to the people it is intended to help. Those cruise ships you so downgrade to much have shore excursions that help the working people of that area and many more people would be hungry if they were not there. No one said that this world was equal or even fair. We have our own spiritual things to learn and get over no matter what our situation in life is. I would hope that you would not judge the whole world by your local situation..... the people I am around give and give a lot to help others. My country gives billions of dollars to other countries to help them... and in reality we borrow the money to do so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleStudent100 Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 398 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 339 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Nadjeschda said: Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people It is true that there are a lot of caring people out there in the world. I am in the educational field (high school and community college) and the professors, by and large, really do care about their students. My parents have had a lot of medical problems the past five years and so I have spent a lot of time on doctor visits and hospital visits and I always appreciate the sincerity and genuine care that the doctors and nurses provide. I also know people who volunteer their time in NGOs around the world. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has done a lot to ease suffering around the world, to name one charity that has been extremely helpful to the world's poor. Even some governmental agencies provide disaster relief and other social programs for their populations. I could go on and on, but here is the key point from Jesus: "You will always have the poor with you" (Matthew 26:11). Social injustices have always existed and always will, until the time comes for this wicked world to be destroyed; our principal commission is to preach the good news in all nations and focus on the spiritual solutions as only God's kingdom will bring lasting relief to humankind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dennis1209 Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 344 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,393 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,320 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Nadjeschda said: A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die. This is a multifaceted secular and theological inquiry with socialist overtones. The love (idolatry, hoarding, me, me, me) of money is the root of all evil. That hasn't changed over time and is getting worse. Charity is just that, charity; I don't legally or morally owe a living to someone else that can work. The man that doesn't provide for himself and his own is worse than an infidel. Taking away from someones own labor to provide for himself and his family by the force of law; and giving it to the politicians choice of beneficiaries is morally wrong. How much is too much; who should decide and how much should be taken away and given elsewhere? Capitalism provides incentive and opportunities; in Russian socialism and elsewhere they pretend to work and the government pretends to pay them. The poor and needy do not provide jobs, growth or opportunity; the poor will always be with us: Mark 14:7 (KJV) For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. You have $50.00 on you right now; I'm hungry and need it worse than you, give it to me! Well why not? Liberals and socialism want to do good; but they want to do it with your money, not theirs. Being forced to provide is neither love nor charity. The beehive mentality has become; you have too much and a surplus, I'm entitled to what you have earned, I deserve it. The entitlement mindset; just because you exist, someone owes you a living. Or in the distant past generations well before you were even born; your ancestors were wronged; and you now personally are responsible for it and need to pay reparations. The word of God is clear on what and how Christians are to respond to the widows, orphans, starving and needy. Our government has taken over in the role our churches should be doing. Opinions are like noses; everyone has one, so I thought I'd stick mine in. Edited July 19, 2019 by Dennis1209 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr3032 Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 332 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 273 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2019 The thing with human law and politics is that none of it corrects or addresses the inherent sin of man. The difference between capitalism and communism is that, in the one, a man screws over another man, and the other, it's the other way around. It solves nothing. Also, people in the past were cruel because they were cruel. Let's all gather up and watch a thief who stole a loaf of bread due to hunger get sawed in half, or eaten by tigers, or see how they wiggle at the end of a noose. My, what justice. Let's put to the stake someone who doesn't buy into our beliefs, my what an awful stench burning flesh has. How about the fact that King Henry is over here going through this wife and that wife and an unknowable number of mistresses, in his big ol' fancy castle where the servants work all day for a measely pittance, and the rest of the country is dying of the sweat? Humanity has always been cruel - It's the same face, just a different mask. If you want change, then you must be the change you wish to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 19, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Nadjeschda said: A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die. I think it's wrong to take money from working people and give it to people who are too lazy to work. Sooner or later, everyone would realize there is no reason to work. And then we would all starve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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