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I think the people of Venezuela would agree with you...

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9 hours ago, ayin jade said:

The heart of man and woman are wicked. Always was. Always will be, without Christ. 

 

Ayin my dear loved sister .    Many folks got no idea what is going on under the pretense of entitlement and redistribution of wealth .

But truly this is judas Iscariot syndrome .    I see the spirit behind this move .

How loving and kind must judas have seemed to those who knew no better , when he said the words ,  Why could this not be given to the poor .

But why did HE say those words .    Was it because he had such a deep love for the poor ,   OR was it because HE HELD the bag and kept what was put in it .

The elites of the world , CRY ,  this can be given to the poor , oh it can help them , it can help solve poverty ,  BUT WHY do they cry .

When they themselves are over loaded BILLIONAIRES .    What have they done with their money .     A system is being created through entitlement and redistribution of wealth ,

And rest assured ,  ITS NOT FOR THE POOR , but for power and control .     They hold the bag ,  THEY gonna heap it up man .  watch , the rich top elites will only get richer

and the poor ,   well the poor that this was all about and supposedly done for ,     JUST wait till a solution starts arising.   WE gonna see how much they LOVE the POOR .

Folks beware this spirit , this all inclusive spirit too .    Nothing is as it seems .     JESUS Is the ONLY WAY and the church can take care of its own , WITHOUT the govt .

Let us take care of our own and FOLLOW the GREAT SHEPARD . 

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10 hours ago, Nadjeschda said:

A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die.

All true born again believers will go to heaven. 

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13 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Don't understand what the OP is tryin to say.

It looks like “other one” has got this covered and is all over this. Phew! Glad he shows up! 

PS We need to now send him over to Figure of 80’s latest thread to help out there. Where is he hiding? 

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15 hours ago, Nadjeschda said:

A sincere question: Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven, and if yes to be seated close by god? Former generations where cruel out of poverty and neccessity. But what is our excuse, the excuse of modern high tech society? What is the excuse of capitalism now that we have the means to help? We circle in cruise ship around the starving people - the food that could have been used to save them was fed to the swine we no eat in our expensive dresses on said holidays. I would have prefered mediveal beheading for myself instead of starving this way - as the more honest, more couragous (couragous by the killers) and less painfull way to die.

Hi Nadjeschda,

It would certainly appear that way. For you see the more we have the more we want, and SELF is the motive. We can have as many charities as we want, but the bottom line is - we will always have the poor for there is always the greedy. (as you are pointing out).

Thus we see man`s real problem is his heart. and people can try to change but deep down there is still that SELFISH heart. Mankind is doomed. Or should I say was doomed until Jesus actually gave His life so that His unselfish `DNA` could be in planted in those who receive.

I know the difference & would not go back to my selfish heart, but continually praise and thank God for His mercy and kindness.

Marilyn. 

 

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5 hours ago, other one said:

I think the people of Venezuela would agree with you...

Yep! Venezuela is a prime example. A government that tries to give you everything you want, by definition, must take everything you have to pay for it. There's no free lunches. Socialism has never passed the test of time and has always failed. Maybe a different form of socialism?

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Many people here use a red hearing strategy: they do not want to talk about how Jesus really lived and what he taught us (poverty and self-sacfrifice). They want to draw the religious discussion into a political discussion instead, to avoid facing Jesus and what he would have thought abouout greed. Socialism came 2000 years later and socialism is an atheist system by the way. The fact that you as a person and with god and not the state as judge destroy your soul if you hoard money has nothing to do with how to politically organize the economy as a state!

And I disagree that people stop working when not forced because the human mind and body stays only healthy if it works. Humans just want to work under different less harmfull and more fair conditions if their social weakness and chronicall illness are not exploited to make them underpayed slowly dying bimbos. The USA now has a murder rate now five times than Germany so we have an indication that just beeing a "sunday christ" without putting beef to what you believe gives inferior ethical results (!) even to secular systems when it comes to ethics (atheism should be almost 50% percent in Germany by now). Emberassing, to say the least. By your greedeness (for example prosperity church) you show a double moral that any atheist can easily understand and dissects with joy and that shyes him away from religion. In consequence personal greediness and living the life style of the rich has the potential to destroy Christianity - the believe you claim to protect. For those who did not use the red hearing strategy: I am not angry on you, I am concerned for the souls of all of us. I have had the life of a rich and I have had been to greedy in the past too but I was an atheist than - so no suprise. That all humans are evil without gods help is something that the bible (in contrast of self-deceptive humanism) is telling us quiet clearly and resonates with me. I do not want to judge you because that is not what Jesus tells us. However the destructive potential of livving a believe only in words and doing the opposite in life cares me up the wall. How do I voice this fear clearly without jduging you?

The destruction of the soul by richness is even measurable by human standards and not just visble for god: rich people are more narcist and compared to their income they give less.

Matthew 19:21 "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

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23 hours ago, Nadjeschda said:

Who of us have realy still a chance to go to heaven,

All who have totally surrendered to Jesus as God in human flesh, risen from the dead, who have been born of the Holy Spirit and who follow God by walking in the Spirit,  all of us will be gathered to God when we die and live with Him in eternity.  I would be happy just being a doorkeeper or serving in a menial way like washing feet.  Great men and women of God who have given their lives for Him should be sitting near the Lord. 

Psa 84:10  For a day in your courts is better than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of wickedness.

 

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11 hours ago, Willa said:

All who have totally surrendered to Jesus as God in human flesh, risen from the dead, who have been born of the Holy Spirit and who follow God by walking in the Spirit,  all of us will be gathered to God when we die and live with Him in eternity.  I would be happy just being a doorkeeper or serving in a menial way like washing feet.  Great men and women of God who have given their lives for Him should be sitting near the Lord. 

Psa 84:10  For a day in your courts is better than a thousand elsewhere. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of wickedness.

 

Agrreed. But what does total surrender mean? Total surrender to Jesus for me does not mean that one repeats his words parrot style - but that you understand it by the heart and emotions which automatically would mean that you live after Jesus example of poverty. If you do not live after his example you might have understood his message in some weak intelectual way but not with the heart (you will propably not notice than, because only your heart could tell you the difference and that is already dead. It's a bit like emotional dementia: you dom't know what you  have lost). Religion is about saving your heart, the core of your soul from evil. In my eyes you can never be a full Christ and rhich at the same time. To combine this impossibly combination you have to kill part of your heart and part of your logic. The strongest form of Christianity hence does propably not live in the USA anymore, it lives in Africa. Furthermore in the USA there is a trend to combine religion with politics, namely capitalism. You can not serve two masters. Politics and religion should not be mixed but this is what the USA regularly does. With this mixing one devalues religion because one in reality secularizes it. Furthermore by capitalizing in this way on religion one shies away all those of oposing political views from Christianity and in my eyes everything that serves your more basic needs (capitalism  and politics is there to satisfy basic needs) AND increases atheism ath the same time is a great sin.


 

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