Guest Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Tampered With said: My point is in the area of UFOs and "Aliens" there are some civilians that know more than the "government". My point is, as a former civilian contractor for/on classified projects through top secret, the government may not be aware of what information is known by civilians and how diligent these individuals are in protecting my government's secrets as they are sworn to. Also, how accurate the information is and what is really disinformation passed off as truth. For my part, no one knows what I know nor will they ever. I take our nation's secrets quite seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tampered With said: There are Secrets of actual National Security and of those I wholeheartedly agree however I have personally the US Military commit crimes up to and including murder in violation of the The Uniform Code of Military Justice and every Federal Law on the Books I know of with impunity with those responsible walking free. I filed an Article 138 of the UCMJ complaint against my brigade commanding officer for trying to kill me, for harassment and for trying to deny me promotion because I did my job when assigned temporarily to the first "Drug Suppression Unit on Okinawa" to well as He felt I targeted his Brigade. He called my brigade commander in front of me and told him "he would have to try some other ways to 'get me' since I had officially filled an Article 138 he was not willing to jeopardize his career over letting him continue. He told my Lt. Col. that he would quash my complaint on island but that he had to cease what he was doing try other things to "get me." This man that was sworn to enforce The Uniform Code of Military Justice not to mention US Federal Law when it comes to a Solders Constitutional Rights then proceeded to tell me dismissed. His Sgt. Major present during all of this then led me out of his office. If my second cousin had not been a Major General I would be dead today so EXCUSE ME if I don't get all teary eyed when someone tries to pull the old "National Security"card on me when I know better! Sorry. I don't know your personal situation and it would be wrong for me to comment on it. I was never in the military being 4F but worked for them as a civilian contractor on numerous spec ops equipment designs and war related aircraft upgrades during the first Gulf War. I did some work for NATO too but that's another story. [It was the most rewarding years of my engineering career and I loved every minute of it.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tampered With said: Well that era was not a good time for a lot of people. I was just one of them. I lost my faith in my country; not that I mind others having patriotism. I just found out we are not a nation of laws equally for everyone, it is who you know and that was hard for me as I was an actual Eagle Scout and bought into the whole patriotism "thing". I really got my paradigm bubble popped. Since I'm outing family. my second cousin that was the Major General in the US Army has a younger brother my age and he went on after leaving the army to join the CIA. He is retired now at a fairly high rank from the "Company". I once almost joined but just could not do it. To many restrictions. At the time of the Vietnam War, I was in college on a deferment. My lottery number was 87. After a near death experience during my senior year in college, I was reclassified from 2-S to 1-A until I failed my Army physical (acne on my back) then classified as 4-F. I was very much a Liberal at this time, anti-war, agnostic, discarding my Roman Catholic faith and upbringing along the way. I won't repeat my conversion here, it's covered elsewhere. It would be another 10+ years before I became a Christian and I thank God and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for being patient with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedragon Posted May 1, 2022 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2022 On 10/9/2019 at 10:00 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Classified material does not mean it is one of the levels at or above Top Secret. Even a person with a Top Secret clearance doesn't have the right to know everything classified as Top Secret unless he (or she) has an official reason AND need to know. I have worked on Secret and Top Secret projects. My Dad worked the SR-71 and U-2 projects at Edwards. He would go to a secret base on the base. Military escort the entire time. They would tell him ..."You can look under this tarp and this tarp, but do not go near these tarps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 On 4/30/2022 at 8:31 PM, Bluedragon said: My Dad worked the SR-71 and U-2 projects at Edwards. He would go to a secret base on the base. Military escort the entire time. They would tell him ..."You can look under this tarp and this tarp, but do not go near these tarps. Need to know is paramount. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted May 2, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,060 Content Per Day: 7.05 Reputation: 12,964 Days Won: 96 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2022 Agree with you both. My father worked in STRATCOM which, while he was stationed in Okinawa, included communications support for the SR-71s stationed at Kadena AFB. I would watch the Habus roar into the sky from the back yard of our government quarters on Futenma. Many years later, after I followed in his footsteps and joined the U.S. Armed Forces, I learned what "need to know" meant and how it was applied. Just because my NSA clearance was upgraded to "NATO Secret" during my stint in (then West) Germany, didn't mean that I was authorized to access to all NATO Secret material. Nope, it only applied to what I needed to access in the execution of my duties as the Classified Document custodian for my unit. I maintained my unit's war plan which was designated NATO Secret. I also needed that clearance to sign for, issue, and/or operate sensitive NSA equipment unique to my occupational specialty in the U.S. Army. While this was a running joke in the military, laying eyes on that equipment without the need to know was a court martial offense. So... when other soldiers in my unit clamored to enter my secure communications shelter out in the field, I would smile and say, "Feel like going to Fort Leavenworth? I sure don't, so no can do." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted May 2, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,060 Content Per Day: 7.05 Reputation: 12,964 Days Won: 96 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2022 The White House Communications detail was the "gravy" assignment for my MOS, a carrot that was dangled before my eyes when I made the decision to finish my 4 years and get out. What would we do? Follow the President of the United States wherever he went, providing secure communications for him and his staff. Generous stipend to purchase and maintain tailored suits required of White House staff... the finest food... huge brownie points on my military record... all I had to do was volunteer, and my commander would do the rest. It was a done deal! That wasn't my path, so I turned it down. Three years after I was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army, I came to Christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 19 hours ago, Marathoner said: The White House Communications detail was the "gravy" assignment for my MOS, a carrot that was dangled before my eyes when I made the decision to finish my 4 years and get out. What would we do? Follow the President of the United States wherever he went, providing secure communications for him and his staff. Generous stipend to purchase and maintain tailored suits required of White House staff... the finest food... huge brownie points on my military record... all I had to do was volunteer, and my commander would do the rest. It was a done deal! That wasn't my path, so I turned it down. Three years after I was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army, I came to Christ. Thank you for your service. I was 4-F but my skill set allowed me to work on secret and top secret projects for nearly 20 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted May 3, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,060 Content Per Day: 7.05 Reputation: 12,964 Days Won: 96 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Thank you for your service. I was 4-F but my skill set allowed me to work on secret and top secret projects for nearly 20 years. My late father transitioned to working on communications projects for the FBI after he retired. Quite a few of his buddies from the service joined the FBI so when he worked for Motorola, the FBI specifically requested my father to manage their projects. What did he do? My father never shared details at any time but I figured it out: he supervised cell phone tower construction and made sure that certain equipment furnished by the FBI was properly installed and operational. He did the same in several cities on the top of tall buildings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Marathoner said: My late father transitioned to working on communications projects for the FBI after he retired. Quite a few of his buddies from the service joined the FBI so when he worked for Motorola, the FBI specifically requested my father to manage their projects. What did he do? My father never shared details at any time but I figured it out: he supervised cell phone tower construction and made sure that certain equipment furnished by the FBI was properly installed and operational. He did the same in several cities on the top of tall buildings. My father's brother worked on unspecified projects around the world. He traveled extensively to Europe and northern Africa. I believe he had a security clearance, at what level I do not know. But he told me something during the height of the Cold War that may or may not be true. Not knowing, I refuse to repeat. He claimed to be an eyewitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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