plo1988 Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Could someone really break this down for me (or maybe more than one person)? Edit: Might not have used "atone for our sins" right because I guess maybe faith is also needed for our sins to be atoned for. Edited July 20, 2019 by plo1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted July 20, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,782 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted July 20, 2019 The Father, Son and Holy Spirit gave the OT Law so that everyman may know that in and of themselves they could not live holy lives... in the fulness of this time of reality God sent His Son into flesh so that God The Father, Son and Holy Spirit could show They live in Holiness- it is Who They are by Nature without end... Heb 4:15 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. KJV and this sets the framework of redemption for only that which is holy may dwell with God: we cannot live in perfection of holiness … God could exemplified in The Son... So in every possible way there exist only one way to get to heaven John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. KJV God's perfect love is seen at the cross where the greatest trade was ever made Luke 23:34 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. KJV The Son had fulfilled the law completely and when He uttered these words it was to all mankind who has been guilty of wounding God with practiced sin.... The Son gave The God head the ability to place new hearts within sinners so that they could become children of God... Through Christ alone new life was granted by His perfect life given 1 Cor 15:20-28 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. KJV This all was planned by God before He even started creation itself... Eph 1:4-6 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. KJV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted July 21, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted July 21, 2019 18 hours ago, Lee_ said: Could someone really break this down for me (or maybe more than one person)? Edit: Might not have used "atone for our sins" right because I guess maybe faith is also needed for our sins to be atoned for. Satan's trick was to harass us unendingly for our sins, it seems to me. However, when he had Jesus killed, when Jesus had committed no sin, Satan lost the ability to hold us accountable for our sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 Jesus traded places with us on the cross. He paid the death penalty for our sins and placed His righteousness on our accounts. That reconciled us to the Father. Legally our sins are paid for. We are now clean before God and can come into His presence. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,602 Content Per Day: 4.02 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Abdicate said: So its your choice: try and pay for the sin you inherited and died coming up short, or allowing God to make the payment for you. That is what it means to be atoned - paid in full and restored to health. The very meaning of "saved" in Greek. Agreed! The moment we put OUR hooks into salvation, we lose the plot. Works, dead works, our effort, our lack of effort: whatever you propose cannot alter the fact that while we were yet sinners, Yeshua died for us. A gift. If we believe on Him and keep believing, then we are saved. That is it in a nutshell. All else is chaff to the corn. There is NOTHING we can do to to BE saved beyond accepting His Grace in forgiveness. The only way we can get 'UN-SAVED' is to completely renounce Yeshua and turn back to works to try and save ourselves. We seem to like to put heavy burdens on each other by talking about sin. Sin or lack of it does not affect our salvation. Baptism, like circumcision does not make any difference to our salvation. We ought to be far more circumspect when talking about The Cross. Unbelievers do not need our constant squabbling. They just need SALVATION. Give the Holy Spirit some space and let Him be the one to 'convince of sin' as Smith Wigglesworth puts it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plo1988 Posted July 23, 2019 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 1:13 AM, Willa said: Jesus traded places with us on the cross. He paid the death penalty for our sins and placed His righteousness on our accounts. That reconciled us to the Father. Legally our sins are paid for. We are now clean before God and can come into His presence. Does that mean Jesus took the punishment for our sins? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 23, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2019 On 7/20/2019 at 5:47 PM, Lee_ said: Could someone really break this down for me (or maybe more than one person)? Edit: Might not have used "atone for our sins" right because I guess maybe faith is also needed for our sins to be atoned for. In Auschwitz, rarely prisoners would claim the number of another in execution, and die on their behalf. Jesus, being God, died for everyone--not just one other person. Trust Jesus and receive atonement (payment for, satisfaction for) your sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted July 24, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.81 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Truly Jesus gave his own life to atone for our sins. Jesus died but he showed that death has no hold on us when He rose from the dead. Real death is when we are separated from God. This only happens for those who will not believe on Him. Edited July 24, 2019 by Mike Mclees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Willa Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 1:00 AM, Lee_ said: Does that mean Jesus took the punishment for our sins? Yes, it means that Jesus took the punishment for our sins, and in exchange He placed His righteousness on our accounts. That is the only way that we can be in our holy, righteous Father God's presence. 2Co 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Rom 4:20 ESV No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, Rom 4:21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. Rom 4:22 That is why his faith was "counted to him as righteousness." Rom 4:23 But the words "it was counted to him" were not written for his sake alone, Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, Rom 4:25 AMP Who was betrayed and put to death because of our misdeeds and was raised to secure our justification (our acquittal), [making our account balance and absolving us from all guilt before God]. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plo1988 Posted August 2, 2019 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 37 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/03/2022 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) On 7/22/2019 at 1:13 AM, Willa said: Jesus traded places with us on the cross. He paid the death penalty for our sins and placed His righteousness on our accounts. That reconciled us to the Father. Legally our sins are paid for. We are now clean before God and can come into His presence. Are our sins legally paid for because He died for our sins (in the sense of 1 Corinthians 15:3)? Edited August 2, 2019 by plo1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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