frienduff thaylorde Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.40 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted July 22, 2019 And yet I am called anti Christ , son of perdtion and not geuinuine in the faith . OH well, what are words to ME . I GOT ALL HOPE for I HAVE HIM . NOW PUT THOSE HANDS UP AND LET A THUNDEROUS STORM OF PRAISE BE HEARD to THE LORD . 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,602 Content Per Day: 4.02 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Let us not forget that it is not all about us. Yeshua did mainly three things. Reversed the terrible plight that fallen beings got us into. This is one of the main reasons the world is in such a state. Regathered the Babel peoples of the world, and chose a people for His own (Abram thru Israel) Saved humanity and bore their sins and shed his blood. See'the gospel in a tent' and understand the Mercy Seat. The Lord High God, Yahweh and His 'second Yahweh' the Son, worked hard and long for how it is turning out today. It is not yet over but if you can read and understand the Tanach, and then the Apostles' writings, you will see that it is no secret what the Lord wants and is in the process of accomplishing. Yeshua indeed did put all the Principalities and Powers under His feet and has been confirmed as the One that has a name that is above every name. This name is over ALL the foes of God and any brother, sister and friend of Yeshua that is IN CHRIST has power over all the spirits, demons and circumstances like our Lord has. Why do we not use that power and show the world the risen Christ...? Well that is an other discussion that should be talked about very seriously. If you do not understand the game, how can you play on the team with any measure of success?? Added for clarity: the Lord High God Redeemed us. It is said, that God so loved the world - ALL OF IT and us humans - that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Edited July 22, 2019 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 That's a huge misunderstanding. From His perspective it IS all about us....He gave all He had in the form of His own Son to have us....there is nothing more He could sacrifice for our sakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,602 Content Per Day: 4.02 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Jostler said: But every single human being He has caused to be born is someone He longs to be in fellowship with, for eternity. Someone He desired from before the beginning, to invite up into His own family, to have and enjoy as precious sons and daughters for all eternity. Excellent point. Yes He wants a blended family of spirit and earthly beings. I recall Mulder of the X-files once contemplating the free will thing and suggested that it be rescinded. Some other worldly entity granted that wish... He went outside and saw an empty world... nobody there. He changed his mind. Edited July 22, 2019 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg4Him Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 347 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 370 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/20/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 I tend to go with Justin on this one. He saved us to demonstrate the depth of His love and to astound the principalities at the sight of regenerated pagans once written off as destitute. Paul spoke of this in Ephesians. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord — Ephesians 3:9-11 There is a reason why we have the possibility of judging angels, and it isn’t simply because Jesus made us super-duper righteous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Bawcash said: How do I answer this question without falling back to the free will cop out answer? If God is omniscient and loves us the why did he create us knowing that we would fall, therefore knowingly condemning countless souls to hell for all eternity. That is not a very loving thing to do. Whether you believe in freewill or not (Calvinism or Arminianism), there is no answer for this. Calvinists - Why would God create people whom He is not going to save? No answer Arminians - If God already knew Adam and Eve is going to sin, why put the tree? Why even create humans? No answer It goes back to reason creation. The only reason is, God thought it was 'good'. That's pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovethelord Posted July 22, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 667 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 1,540 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 22, 2019 Isaiah 55:8-9, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” God doesn’t tell us why He created us with the ability to choose. All I know is that He decided to give us free will and making a choice is part of being a person. Throughout the bible we see how man exercises his choices and rebels against God. That is why we have pain and suffering. God loves us enough to allow us a choice and experience love, hate, pain and suffering. I don't believe he purposely created man to fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Petros Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 hours ago, dr3032 said: As for why creation even became a thing, none of us know. As for falling, why did God put a tree containing the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil in Eden? Why did God leave the nations about Israel, rather than outright destroying them? As tests. God loves everyone, but not everyone loves God. People can paint him as some big giant meaniehead in the clouds, where even just for glancing at a woman's unmentionables for a split second leaves you to eternal damnation, and there is jack squat you can do about it - but such a view comes from people who lack understanding. They speak of God's love and mercy for a reason - It is a gift that not everyone accepts. They forget that sins can be forgiven when someone repents of them. Largely because of the idea of "self-will" and focus on the self, people don't like the idea of not being in control of themselves. Time and time again, in movies and shows, you have figures that act as "God" and then you have the protagonists screeching about how their life is their own and so they work to destroy this big bad meaniehead in the clouds they call "God". God is not a meaniehead. He has his arms open. It's just that there are people unwilling to go into those arms, either out of ignorance/fear or they do not wish to forsake their sinful ways. They damn themselves. Did God love Esau? Did God love the Philistines? Did God show kindness to all nations, or was He very selective with his love? He is still selective with His love, and the recipients of His Love and favour sometimes have to go through the churner of life to receive it.Jesus, said clearly that "you did not choose me, but I have chosen you". He also said that the world will hate those that He finds, because He has chosen them out from this world. We don't like this Biblical truth in our all comprehensive twenty first century mindset, that is the real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawcash Posted July 23, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 69 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Justin Adams said: Excellent point. Yes He wants a blended family of spirit and earthly beings. I recall Mulder of the X-files once contemplating the free will thing and suggested that it be rescinded. Some other worldly entity granted that wish... He went outside and saw an empty world... nobody there. He changed his mind. I missed that episode. I was a big fan. Any idea what episode that was? I would like to find it and watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Petros Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Sonshine☀️ said: Stick with what the Bible says, Bawcash. God bless. The Bible does not talk! It is collection of books written over some 1400 years, by about 40 different authors. Like all literature, it needs interpretation, and that has been one of the problems since the reformation. We presently have about 5000 denominations, all of which claim to "believe the Bible", and all just about as far apart in their Biblical Theology as can be possible. Would you like to discuss more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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