God's love and omniscience.

[Firm Foundation]

20 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And yet I am called anti Christ , son of perdtion and not geuinuine in the faith .     OH well, what are words to ME .   I GOT ALL HOPE for I HAVE HIM .

NOW PUT THOSE HANDS UP AND LET A THUNDEROUS STORM OF PRAISE BE HEARD to THE LORD .    

All you do is lift up Jesus.  Who would call you anti-Christ?  You always post edifying comments.

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, Firm Foundation said:

All you do is lift up Jesus.  Who would call you anti-Christ?  You always post edifying comments.

Well,  the time it happened here ,   was a long while back .    To my knowledge it seemed the person must have repented , because they have never called me that since .

But its been far worse on other sites .    Believe it or not ,    on this forum ,  I have been treated like a king compared to most other places .

Not that I seek to be treated as such ,  and yes I know I am not treated as a king here , but that is just a comparision .      LET US REJOICE when persecuted .

And let us forgive those who persecute us .   I only desire what is Good for the people .  ITS JUST I know THAT JESUS LOVED ABOVE ALL , HIS sayings being loved

the apostels sayings being loved , IS what is GOOD for the people .     I truly wish that all would start over , IN JUST the BIBLE .    And watch what would happen .

Folks who saw some of us as being legalistic ,   would know we are not .  But that I just desire all Things that JESUS said ,  to be loved by odediance unto all things HE did teach .

The beauty of it ,  is that its not too late for anyone to start over .    I truly wish and pray that we would have and read from ONE BOOK , the bible .

And things would really start clearing up  .    So quickly too .    

[frienduff thaylorde]

Put those hands up sister candance .      You are loved and let all praise the LORD .

[Justin Adams]

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Funny this. Or is it?

This OP is about our Lord God Who made everything and Redeemed us and the Whole world.

If it had been about 'salvation' and our opinions, there would be pages and pages. But this is about God's Love and so there is very little written. Does that not indicate where our true affection lies? The OP is about something other than ourselves and so it peters out after a few pages...  Is this somehow a commentary on us?

Are we really that shallow or have we not been aware of God's Love in our constant bombarding society of noise that prevents us contemplating our Creator's Great Character?

Comments??

[Bawcash]

On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 5:13 AM, Justin Adams said:

Comments??

I hear crickets. By the way do you know what X-files episode that was? I tried to search it up but had no luck.

[Justin Adams]

Sorry. I do not. Could have been one of his dreams...

[missmuffet]

On 7/22/2019 at 4:27 AM, Bawcash said:

How do I answer this question without falling back to the free will cop out answer? If God is omniscient and loves us the why did he create us knowing that we would fall, therefore knowingly condemning countless souls to hell for all eternity. That is not a very loving thing to do.

This Christian explanation is somewhat long but I think it is a good answer to your question

Question: "If God knew that Adam and Eve would sin, why did He create them?"

Answer: The Bible says that God created all things—including us—for Himself. He is glorified in His creation. “From him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen” (Romans 11:36).

It may be hard to see how Adam and Eve’s falling into sin could bring glory to God. In fact, some might even wonder why, if God knew ahead of time all the trouble they would cause, He made them in the first place.

God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6), and He knows the future (Isaiah 46:10). So He definitely knew that Adam and Eve would sin. But He created them anyway and gave them a free will with which they chose to sin. 

We must carefully note that Adam and Eve’s falling into sin does not mean that God is the author of sin or that He tempted them to sin (James 1:13). But the fall does serve the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. 

If we consider what some theologians call the “meta-narrative” (or overarching storyline) of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main sections: 1) paradise (Genesis 1—2); 2) paradise lost (Genesis 3—Revelation 20); and 3) paradise regained (Revelation 21—22). By far the largest part of the narrative is devoted to the transition from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the center of this meta-narrative is the cross, which was planned from the very beginning (Acts 2:23). 

Reading Scripture carefully, we are led to the following conclusions:

1. The fall of mankind was foreknown by God.

2. The crucifixion of Christ, the atonement for God’s elect, was foreordained by God.

3. All people will one day glorify God (Psalm 86:9), and God purposes “to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ” (Ephesians 1:10).

God’s purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness. The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1), and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:18–25). The world that best displays the glory of God is the world we have—a world that was allowed to fall, a world that was redeemed, a world that will be restored to its original perfection. 

God’s wrath and God’s mercy display the riches of His glory, but we cannot see either without the fall of mankind. We would never know grace if we had never needed grace. Therefore, all of God’s plan—including the fall, election, redemption, and atonement of mankind—serves the purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately displayed in God’s not killing him on the spot. God’s grace was immediately evident in the covering He provided for their shame (Genesis 3:21). God’s patience and forbearance were later on display as mankind fell deeper and deeper into sin. God’s justice and wrath were on display when He sent the flood, and God’s mercy and grace were again demonstrated when He saved Noah and his family. God’s holy wrath and perfect justice will be seen in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all (Revelation 20:7–10).

God’s glory is also revealed in His love (1 John 4:16). Our knowledge of God’s love comes from the Person and saving work of Jesus Christ in this fallen world. “This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him” (1 John 4:9). Had God decided not to create Adam and Eve, based on His knowledge of their fall—or had He made them automatons with no volition—we would never have truly known what love is.

The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s grace was on display in His Son’s words, “Father, forgive them” (Luke 23:34). God’s love and grace are manifest in those whom He has saved (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–10). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His righteousness results in the eternal punishment of unrepentant sinners (Philippians 2:11). Without the fall of Adam and Eve, we would never know God’s justice, grace, mercy, or love.

Some raise the objection that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The best answer to that question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith:

“God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” (WFC, III.1)

In other words, God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved. Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of God’s will (by “free” we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside influences). It’s a complex interaction of wills and choices, but the Creator God can handle any amount of complexity.

God foresaw Adam and Eve’s fall. He created them anyway, in His own image, to bring glory to Himself. They were given freedom to make choices. Even though they chose to disobey, their choice became the means by which God’s ultimate will was carried out and by which His full glory will be seen.

https://www.gotquestions.org/if-God-knew-Adam-Eve-sin.html

Edited August 1, 2019 by missmuffet

[Bawcash]

6 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately displayed in God’s not killing him on the spot.

The obvious answer to this is: Wouldn't it have been more merciful to kill him on the spot, rather than condemning a countless number of souls to eternal damnation and torment?

 

10 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

God foresaw Adam and Eve’s fall. He created them anyway, in His own image, to bring glory to Himself.

Then add this to the statement and WOW! They will have you for lunch!

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, Bawcash said:

The obvious answer to this is: Wouldn't it have been more merciful to kill him on the spot, rather than condemning a countless number of souls to eternal damnation and torment?

 

Then add this to the statement and WOW! They will have you for lunch!

God sees he whole picture we do not. It is always best to adhere to God's word. We do not question God's plan. 

[Tzephanyahu]

On 7/26/2019 at 10:13 AM, Justin Adams said:

The OP is about something other than ourselves and so it peters out after a few pages...  Is this somehow a commentary on us?

Interesting comment.  I believe it is.

I think no one would ever accept the title "lukewarm".  However, we must accept that someone who was lukewarm might not see it.

If we are the Laodicean Church, prophesied in Revelation, then the majority of the Church would be lukewarm today.  Therefore, the leaders and teachers would have lukewarm teachings and feelings, but thinking they are rich and prosperous (another description of Laodicea).  Laodicea means "judging the people" and I think it's fair to say, even of this forum, that many Christians can be quick to judge others - both other Christians and Atheists.

Maybe that's why our posts read the way they do.  We have grown up in an age and with teachers that, in general, have been lukewarm.  

This is all generalisation. There is always a remnant, of Christians and teachers.  They just seem to be the minority - as I believe they do in every Church Age.

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