Revelation Man Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,066 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 551 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, dhchristian said: I agree. This is fundamental to the harlot atop the beast. Now if I could get you to see that the beast of rev. 17 is not the same as the beast of rev. 13, we may be coming to a consensus of agreement. The Harlot includes the apostates that are left behind who knowingly believe this pagan mystery religion, which is infiltrating in the Laodicean church ages in the form of New age Christianity, which calls the Holy Ghost the feminine divine spirit similar to Zoroastrianism, But this spirit is nothing more than the shekinah/kundalini spirit that has been operating throughout all false religions. Well explained response. I never said the Beast are the same, there are Three Beast....but the 7 Heads and 10 Horns are the same. Rev. 12 designates Satan, the CROWNS are on the 7 Heads. Rev. 13 designates the Anti-Christ, the CROWNS are on the 10 Horns. Rev. 17 designates Apollyon, there are NO CROWNS, hes under Satan and is not a Physical being to be give a Physical Kingdom on earth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The other post shows why The the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Revelation Man said: I never said the Beast are the same, there are Three Beast....but the 7 Heads and 10 Horns are the same. Rev. 12 designates Satan, the CROWNS are on the 7 Heads. Rev. 13 designates the Anti-Christ, the CROWNS are on the 10 Horns. Rev. 17 designates Apollyon, there are NO CROWNS, hes under Satan and is not a Physical being to be give a Physical Kingdom on earth. Must be confusing you with someone else then. The false Prophet is the third of the four, he has two horns like a lamb, and speaks like the dragon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Montana Marv said: Rev 5:1 - Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides... pass it on; v.8 - and when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb. 6:1 - Then I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven Seals. Where is the Lamb? At the Throne in Heaven. Where was John when viewing these things? Somewhere in Heaven able to see what is going on. The Third Heaven where the Throne is located. So John was able to see what was going on there. Rev 6:4 - Then another horse came out.... out from where? In Christ Montana Marv Marv, Jesus, the 24 elders, and John were in heaven. But the events contained in the scroll are future event to happen on earth. Each seal as it was being opened provided a vision. For lack of a better description, like on a big screen TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Revelation Man said: I never said the Beast are the same, there are Three Beast....but the 7 Heads and 10 Horns are the same. Rev. 12 designates Satan, the CROWNS are on the 7 Heads. Rev. 13 designates the Anti-Christ, the CROWNS are on the 10 Horns. Rev. 17 designates Apollyon, there are NO CROWNS, hes under Satan and is not a Physical being to be give a Physical Kingdom on earth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The other post shows why The the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION. Revelation 12. crowns on the heads = king 7 has come to power, as there is the 7 years in Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14. Revelation 13 - no crowns on the heads, crowns on the horns - king 8 is in power, 42 months left. Horns have crowns as the ten kings rule with him. Revelation 17 - no crowns on the heads, nor horns - the prophecy completion of the 7 kings and 10 kings are way into the future of the sixth king ruling at the time. Edited July 25, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,066 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 551 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, dhchristian said: Must be confusing you with someone else then. The false Prophet is the third of the four, he has two horns like a lamb, and speaks like the dragon. Yes the F.P. is a Beast, but he's a Beast over Religion, he replaces The Harlot basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,066 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 551 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 hour ago, douggg said: Revelation 12. crowns on the heads = king 7 has come to power, as there is the 7 years in Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14. Revelation 13 - no crowns on the heads, crowns on the horns - king 8 is in power, 42 months left. Horns have crowns as the ten kings rule with him. Revelation 17 - no crowns on the heads, nor horns - the prophecy completion of the 7 kings and 10 kings are way into the future of the sixth king ruling at the time. There is no 8th Kingdom/King douggg, Apollyon is the King of the Bottomless Pit. Hes of the 7....but he's an 8th....not an 8th on earth, just an 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Revelation Man said: There is no 8th Kingdom/King douggg, Apollyon is the King of the Bottomless Pit. Hes of the 7....but he's an 8th....not an 8th on earth, just an 8th. I definitely would not say 8th kingdom. But the beast is the 8th king in Revelation 17:11. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. The 8th king is king 7 after king 7 gets killed in the middle of the 7 years and comes back to life. Which the world will witness happen - "was, is not, even he is" in Revelation 17:8b 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. In Revelation 17:8a the beast that was and is not = talking about some ancient person, a different person than the end times king 7, that was alive but was no longer alive at the time of John. That person is in disembodied spirit form, currently in the bottomless pit. He will possess king 7 after king 7 comes back to life. It is actually two different individuals spoken of as the beast in Revelation 17:8 - but showing a connection between the two, in that the end times person will be possessed by the ancient person (in spirit form) currently in the bottomless pit.. Edited July 25, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Revelation Man said: Yes the F.P. is a Beast, but he's a Beast over Religion, he replaces The Harlot basically. The false prophet is a beast. He is a person, but not a king like the first beast in Revelation 13. He is called a prophet, in similitude to (but obviously different than as well) Elijah the prophet, who will demand worship of the first beast and the image of the first beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted July 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,066 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 551 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 25, 2019 38 minutes ago, douggg said: I definitely would not say 8th kingdom. But the beast is the 8th king in Revelation 17:11. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. Yes, he is an 8th in that he is the King of the bottomless pit, and he was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region. Thus when hes shown as a BEAST over the 7 Heads & 10 Horns, hes over just that.....7 Beast Kingdoms, not 8, him being over them makes him an 8th just like the Dragon of Rev. 12 {Satan} would be a 9th. But Satan isn't running a Physical Kingdom per se, hes also OF [or over] THE SEVEN......So its just 7 earthly Kingdoms over that Region, which are also over Israel. If there is only 7 there can be only 7. That is why Apollyon and the Dragon/Satan is shown via 7 Heads and 10 Horns. All Regions have Demonic Entities placed over them. 44 minutes ago, douggg said: The 8th king is king 7 after king 7 gets killed in the middle of the 7 years and comes back to life. Which the world will witness happen - "was, is not, even he is" in Revelation 17:8b 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. In Revelation 17:8a the beast that was and is not = talking about some ancient person, a different person than the end times king 7, that was alive but was no longer alive at the time of John. That person is in disembodied spirit form, currently in the bottomless pit. He will possess king 7 after king 7 comes back to life. It is actually two different individuals spoken of as the beast in Revelation 17:8 - but showing a connection between the two, in that the end times person will be possessed by the ancient person (in spirit form) currently in the bottomless pit.. You guys misconstrue things between the Spirit world and our earthly, Physical world. Let's say Jesus was over 7 Churches in a Region in that he is OF ALL SEVEN, in that he is OF/IN ALL CHURCHES, but he would not be an 8th Church, he would just be OF THE SEVEN, it doesn't add another Church just because Jesus is the head of the Seven Churches......catch my drift ? King 7 is the Anti-Christ turned Beast, he rules for 42 months then Jesus comes back and casts him into hell. There is no 8 Kingdom in the Mediterranean Sea Region on earth, just like there is no 9th Kingdom and the Dragon can be said to be a 9th King. Jesus will be the next King to rule over the Mediterranean Sea Region during the 1000 year reign. Rev. 17:8 is about Apollyon, NOT A PERSON. No man dies and comes back to life....that which suffers the Mortal Wound is the BEAST with 7 Heads, not a real entity, its a figurative Beast. Egypt to Rome/MORTAL WOUND..........................CHURCH AGE/RAPTURE....7TH BEAST/WOUND HEALED...Jesus Returns. 1 hour ago, douggg said: The false prophet is a beast. He is a person, but not a king like the first beast in Revelation 13. He is called a prophet, in similitude to (but obviously different than as well) Elijah the prophet, who will demand worship of the first beast and the image of the first beast. Hes a Jewish High Priest, like unto Jason {real name Yeshua} under Antiochus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Revelation Man said: Yes, he is an 8th in that he is the King of the bottomless pit, and he was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region. But there are not 7 prior kings of the bottomless pit to make the beast the 8th king of the bottomless pit. Apollyon is a angel. The terms "was" and "is not" does not apply to angels. It applies to someone who can die. The beast in the bottomless pit, therefore, is not Apollyon. I think you should consider the craftiest of the beasts in the garden in Genesis, who beguiled Eve, who was used by Satan - why did that beast allow Satan to use him? what was the promise? The text doesn't say, but there is speculation as to why. 1 hour ago, Revelation Man said: . Thus when hes shown as a BEAST over the 7 Heads & 10 Horns, hes over just that.....7 Beast Kingdoms, not 8, him being over them makes him an 8th just like the Dragon of Rev. 12 {Satan} would be a 9th. I think we have been over this before, your term "Beast Kingdoms" is self generated. There is no mention of Satan being a 9th king of any sort. 1 hour ago, Revelation Man said: King 7 is the Anti-Christ turned Beast, he rules for 42 months then Jesus comes back and casts him into hell. There is no 8 Kingdom in the Mediterranean Sea Region on earth, just like there is no 9th Kingdom and the Dragon can be said to be a 9th King. Jesus will be the next King to rule over the Mediterranean Sea Region during the 1000 year reign. So why bring it up? I am not making any claim about any 8th kingdom. Nor 7th kingdom. Nor 6th kingdom. Nor 5th kingdom. The 7 kings in Revelation 17:10 are kings, not 7 kingdoms. The beast is the 8th king, not 8th kingdom. The 7 kings and the 8th king are kings of the Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 in the text, fourth kingdom. Edited July 26, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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