HAZARD Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 2:18 AM, plavious said: What is Baptism in the Spirit and When does it Happen? what is the fade of people who die without being baptize by water? who has the authority to baptize? what about children? General facts about Spirit baptism. There is a baptism in the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; 20:22-23; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:31-34; Acts 1:4-8; 2:1-39; 8:14-20; 9:17; 10:44-48; 11:14-18; 15:7-11; 19:1-7; Gal. 3:14; Heb. 6:3. Jesus was the first to be baptized in the Holy Spirit Matt. 3:16-17; 20:22-23; Luke 3:21-22; 4:16-21; John 1:31-34; 3:34; Acts 10:38. Men in general were not baptized in the Spirit until Pentecost and until Jesus was glorified, John 7:37-39; 14:16-17, 26; 16"13-15; Acts 1:4-8; 2:1-21, 33-39. Regarding Children? God does not send any innocent children or even adults to hell because they are not baptized. There is not one word in the entire Bible that mentions Infant baptism or any such practice. It is very clear from Scripture that baptism is only required after men have repented of their sins and have been born of the Spirit of God. There is no express command for infants to be baptized until they become responsible agents and turn to God and have their sins, as adults, remitted. Salvation is a personal experience and children must become old enough to accept salvation before they are commanded to be baptized. Children, until they become responsible, even though their parents are unsaved, will be taken to Heaven if they die before accountability just as much as those of saved parents. Read Matthew 18:1-10; 19:14). Scripture demands faith and repentance as being necessary before baptism and this no child can do until he is old enough to understand sin and what to do to be saved. Infant baptism became prominent when churches began teaching baptism and other sacraments to save the soul and remit sin. Such practice makes it impossible to obey Christs command later without admitting infant-baptism was of no benefit. Since there are so many Scriptural reasons why infant-baptism should not be practiced and since it has no efficacy it would be best to wait until the child turns to God by faith and repents of sins of their own free will before it becomes baptised. Baptism is a symbol of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and it is a testimony to all the world that the individual has been saved from a life of sin and that the individual is now walking in newness of life. It is only people who are followers of Jesus that are commanded to be baptized. (Read Matt. 28:19-20; Mark 16:15-16; and Acts 2:38-39). The repentant thief on the cross at Jesus crucifixion was never baptized yet Jesus told him that "To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43) So the truth is Baptism alone is actually not necessary for salvation. The purpose of baptism is not to save the soul, sanctify one, or make us children of God, Jesus did that through His death and resurrection. The sole purpose of baptism is plainly taught as being figurative and not literally a cleansing from sin. The palsied man of Matt. 9:1-7 was saved without water baptism: "Jesus seeing their faith [not their water baptism] said . . . thy sins be forgiven thee . . . the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins." Jesus did not baptize one person in all His ministry but He did remit sins of many people (John 4:2). This is sufficient proof that sins can be remitted without water baptism. There are many cases of remission of sins and healing which were done by faith without water baptism (Matt. 9:22; Mark 5:34; 10:52; Luke 7:48' 17:19; 18:42; Acts 3:16). An unnamed woman sinner was forgiven her sins before and without water baptism. Jesus said, "Her sins, which are many are forgiven . . . thy sins be forgiven . . . thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace (Luke 7:36-50). If Jesus allowed adults forgiveness and entry to heaven without baptism, then why would He expect Children to be baptized to guarantee entry to heaven? Many more scriptures fill the Bible showing adults being saved without water baptism. What about people who have never ever heard of Jesus, or the gospel? Are these many billons of people doomed to Hell? No way at all. Scripture shows that God does have a basis of dealing with people, even heathens, who have never heard of the Gospel. God will deal with them on the basis of the light they have received, and on the basis of obeying their own conscience. Read Romans 2:12-16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, missmuffet said: What did I win? Taking careful assessment to your needs, you've won a lifetime of free breakfasts at IHOP!!! Looks as though a few pounds of weight would benefit you. Just saying.  P.S. Nice smile, by the way. Edited August 5, 2019 by BeauJangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 3 hours ago, BeauJangles said: Taking careful assessment to your needs, you've won a lifetime of free breakfasts at IHOP!!! Looks as though a few pounds of weight would benefit you. Just saying.  P.S. Nice smile, by the way. Hey, that is good they have pretty good pancakes but the service isn't so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, missmuffet said: Hey, that is good they have pretty good pancakes but the service isn't so good. It might not be the service so much. Your rather thin frame could be scaring the staff away! J/K Miss... Hysterically funny photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prycejosh1987 Posted July 12, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,176 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/29/1987 Share Posted July 12, 2020 On 7/26/2019 at 5:18 PM, plavious said: What is Baptism in the Spirit and When does it Happen? what is the fade of people who die without being baptize by water? who has the authority to baptize? what about children? Baptism in the holy spirit is being filled with the holy spirit. It is the ultimate spiritual upgrade. It happens through prayer good circumstances and persistence. The fate people not baptised in water is the same as the fate of someone who is. Being baptised is a made choice in the way that it is symbolic. Anyone that is a leader in the faith, there needs to be an agreement between two believers when someone is baptised. Children are too young to make the choice, they can be blessed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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