luigi Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,742 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 308 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 I am of the opinion that the sacrifice that is ceased in the middle of the seven year period do not represent animal sacrifices that are reinitiated, but instead are like the sacrifice in Isaiah 34:6 that represent people in the ME who are being killed daily by the Northern Kingdom. Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhchristian Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 136 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,488 Content Per Day: 1.42 Reputation: 1,325 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 9:28 PM, douggg said: On 8/2/2019 at 4:13 PM, dhchristian said: Can you explain how you arrive at this conclusion? Because this is new to me in that most people explain this as the signs and lying wonders of The FP, Kind of like Hollywood special effects or Holograms. The basis is: Factor 1 When the world worships the first beast in Revelation 13, it also worships the dragon (Satan). This happens during last 42 months of the 7 years. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Factor 2 In Ezekiel 28 are three verses that describe the ultimate end of Satan from being a terror upon the people of the earth. 1. is that Satan can no longer roam freely in the third heaven. 2. God is going to cast him down to earth. 3. God is going have a fire come up in his midst. 4. God is going to turn him to asses. 5. God is going to make Satan visible to everyone to see him. 6. Satan will be a terror no more. I explain each of those steps in my thread titled "Ezekiel 28:16-19, the end of Satan" , verse by verse, detail by detail, of Satan incarnating the Abomination of Desolation image of the beast... and its destruction to expose Satan there on the temple mount for everyone to see him. Factor 3 The Abomination of Desolation, Jesus said "standing" in a holy place. Antiochus in Daniel 11, historically to us, had made an image of Zeus and placed it in the temple, referred to as the abomination that makes desolate in Daniel 11:31. That event prefigures what the end times abomination of desolation will be. It will be a standing statue image of the beast. It will look similar to these... before the False Prophet does the lying wonder to make it come to life (by Satan incarnating the statue). Where You make your mistake is in the first line of your theory, by placing the statue and the FP in the second half of the final week. The FP rules alongside the beast of rev. 13:1. They are not consecutive rules, but simultaneous, and can be proven by the word "Before" in revelation 13:12 enōpion Which means in the presence of and in the sight of. Most read this quickly and assume the first beast rules before the FP rules in order, meaning the FP rules the second half of the week and makes the image of the beast live. In English before can mean two things, Ahead of in order, or in front of, in sight of. In Greek there are two different words for these concepts. Look it up. The dragon, the beast and the false prophet are all contemporaries and rule in the first half of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dhchristian said: Where You make your mistake is in the first line of your theory, by placing the statue and the FP in the second half of the final week. The FP rules alongside the beast of rev. 13:1. They are not consecutive rules, but simultaneous, and can be proven by the word "Before" in revelation 13:12 enōpion Which means in the presence of and in the sight of. Most read this quickly and assume the first beast rules before the FP rules in order, meaning the FP rules the second half of the week and makes the image of the beast live. In English before can mean two things, Ahead of in order, or in front of, in sight of. In Greek there are two different words for these concepts. Look it up. The dragon, the beast and the false prophet are all contemporaries and rule in the first half of the week. I am not saying that the statue image is placed in the temple in the second half, but at the 75 days before the second half begins. It will be placed in the temple on day 1185, which is still in the first half. Since the image of the beast is made after the person has become the beast, the person becomes the beast before day 1185. Here is that course of events, beginning with day 1 of the 7 years. Some of the days are guesses because there is not enough information given to determine an exact day. If it is a guess on my part, I say guess. 1. the person has become the Antichrist - day 1 2. the person commits the ToD, the transgression of desolation act, sitting in the temple claiming to have achieved God-hood. Revealed as the man of sin. It marks the ending of his time as being the Antichrist, King (unapproved by God) of Israel. day unknown, but somewhere around day 1100, a guess. 3. God has the revealed man of sin killed for sitting in His Seat (designated to be for God) in the temple, claiming to be God. day 1130, a guess. 4. There will be a big open casket funeral for the slain man of sin, my speculation. 5. God in disdain for the person, in Isaiah 14:19-20, casts his soul out of hell. 6. The person sits up in his casket, come back to life, day 1140, a guess. Now the beast. The world is dumbfounded and thinks the come back to life man of sin, really has achieved God-hood. And worship him. 7. The false prophet has the people of the world make a statue image of the beast, and the AoD, the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast, is placed in the temple on day 1185. Based on Daniel 12:12, the 1335 days. (Day 2520-1335) 8. The Jews begin to flee. The two witnesses battle with beast over the course of the next 75 days. On day 1260, the beast kills them. Closing the window for assisted fleeing by the two witnesses. 9. On day 1263.5 (now into the second half), the two witnesses come back to life and ascend to heaven. Leaving the beast free to rule the world without being inhibited by the two witnesses for 1256.5 days (called 42 months, the second half), until Jesus returns on day 2520. Edited August 4, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dhchristian said: The FP rules alongside the beast of rev. 13:1. They are not consecutive rules, but simultaneous, and can be proven by the word "Before" in revelation 13:12 enōpion Which means in the presence of and in the sight of. Most read this quickly and assume the first beast rules before the FP rules in order, meaning the FP rules the second half of the week and makes the image of the beast live. The false prophet is not a king. He does not "rule" as a king. He is a prophet. The first beast is a king, but the imagery of the first beast also represents a kingdom. That kingdom is the kingdom of the beast person. That kingdom will be the EU in it's final form. It may not be called the EU at the time. The ten kings give their EU kingdom over to the beast person, to rule as dictator. Revelation 17:16-17. You have the False Prophet mixed up as being a king. Are the false prophets of Baal that Elijah battled - kings? No they were not, they were false prophets. The False Prophet will be a false prophet, not a king. Quote "Most read this quickly and assume the first beast rules before the FP rules in order, meaning the FP rules the second half of the week and makes the image of the beast live." I don't know of anyone who thinks that. Most people don't think the False Prophet is a king at all. The false prophet will be around in the first half of the 7 years, because he is the one who will anoint the prince who shall come little horn person as the King of Israel. Which the King of Israel (but not approved by God to be the King of Israel) then begins the 7 years. Edited August 4, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,742 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 308 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 Are you guys aware that an image of something can be other than a physical object? An image of something can be what one perceives something to be, like in propaganda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, luigi said: Are you guys aware that an image of something can be other than a physical object? An image of something can be what one perceives something to be, like in propaganda. Yes. But the image of the beast, the abomination of desolation - was prefigured that it will be a statue image. Because in Daniel 11:31, nearly universally accepted as an act done by Antiochus, was a statue image of Zeus that the had placed in the temple. 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Edited August 4, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,742 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 308 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 2 hours ago, luigi said: I am of the opinion that the sacrifice that is ceased in the middle of the seven year period do not represent animal sacrifices that are reinitiated, but instead are like the sacrifice in Isaiah 34:6 that represent people in the ME who are being killed daily by the Northern Kingdom. Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. The sacrifice that is ceased in the middle of the seven year period in Daniel 9:27 are the aerial sorties that will have been overflying and taking the lives of many by day and by night (Isaiah 28:18-20) for the first half of the week. Isaiah 28: 18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. 20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,742 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 308 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, douggg said: Yes. But the image of the beast, the abomination of desolation - was prefigured that it will be a statue image. Because in Daniel 11:31, nearly universally accepted as an act done by Antiochus, was a statue image of Zeus that the had placed in the temple. 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Doug, Daniel is informed in Daniel 12:4 & 9 that the prophecies shown him in Daniel chapters 11 and 12 regard the end times, at which, when these end times approached, we would then begin to realize what these things represent. Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, luigi said: Doug, Daniel is informed in Daniel 12:4 & 9 that the prophecies shown him in Daniel chapters 11 and 12 regard the end times, at which, when these end times approached, we would then begin to realize what these things represent. Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Agreed. But parts of Daniel 11 are historic to us. Daniel 11:31, prefigures (previews) what the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12, in the end times, will be. It will be a statue image, made in the likeness of the beast person. What the abomination of desolation will be is one of the things we don't have to guess about. Edited August 4, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,742 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 308 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, luigi said: The sacrifice that is ceased in the middle of the seven year period in Daniel 9:27 are the aerial sorties that will have been overflying and taking the lives of many by day and by night (Isaiah 28:18-20) for the first half of the week. Isaiah 28: 18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. 20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. Something else I would like to point out about the covenant with death, and agreement with hell in Isaiah 28:18 is that Death in association with hell appears also in Revelation 6:8. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Edited August 4, 2019 by luigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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