ReneeIW Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Jayne said: Ok, I see. Have you spoken to an attorney about just what you can and cannot say about a person without their consent and what to do if they sue. Yes, I have spoken with many attorneys. Thanks for caring about that.? I didn’t have a choice but to get attorneys because they came after me. First, he apologized a lot. It was very healing to hear him acknowledge what he had done and say sorry. He did this over the phone, through emails and texts. So there are lots of documents and proof. He would have no case against me. Also, this has already been written about in an online legal publication because of the lawyers that were involved. So his name is out there. One problem is that there were people who tried to cover it up. His disciples. Those people came after me as well. They hired private investigators to surveil my home. These investigators came by my home with a threatening letter at night and scared my kids. They found my mothers address and threatened, in writing, to send men to her home knowing that she was a brutal rape victim. I actually converted to Christianity the night she was raped which was three years after I had been a victim. I think when Christian men are behaving that way it needs to be exposed . sorry if this got too heavy. Edited August 4, 2019 by ReneeIW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: That is exactly what the book is for. But I must admit, when I read the details of the sex abuse by priests and saw that they put a necklace around the kids who were vulnerable and easy targets for pedophiles, that’s when I realized the abuse was systematic and not a matter of random priests “falling into temptation.” Sometimes unique details wake people up and cause them to take action. The people I told had never heard of this before and it was difficult for the female Christian counselor I went to and difficult for a female cop I spoke with. For the record, I would not describe the actual acts, but rather what was said before and after. I would also mention what this person has said he is against publicly, but in private he has done what he claims he is against and has tried to force others to do it. That is the main thing I am worried about. I work with survivors of systemic, horrendous ritual abuse and there are VERY few who know what they endure. There IS a way to discuss and shine a light on this without being titillating. Sex is a beautiful gift, designed by God and placed within a context where it is not just "good" but HOLY. That context is a life-long committed relationship called marriage....an EXCLUSIVE relationship that excludes all BUT the one man and one woman He has made one flesh. The very power of it is why satan uses it, outside it's God given context to defile and maim and damage. We can, and NEED to find ways to discuss this in it's Biblical context and purpose, in ways that are informative and clear without being more graphic than necessary....but there is a certain level of specificity necessary too...we need not shy away from that....but trust Him to give the appropriate words in appropriate times, places and circumstances. If the so called "church" had been less prudish about this in the past we might not have a situation where divorce is more common INSIDE the so called church than it is even among the worldly. We were designed to need healthy, holy human touch...understanding that, discerning the boundaries and teaching them, and WHY He established boundaries is critical....and has been missing from "christian" teaching far too long. The "laying on of hands" is a Biblical, FOUNDATIONAL precept ....of Christ....and Benny Hinn has no clue what it means. Renee trust Him to show you the balance of how to speak into this difficult subject and EXPOSE the darkness....and don't be discouraged by people who have no clue......they are many. There are MANY out there who need to know they are not alone in their experience and suffering and He will use you to speak into their lives in ways that bring life and healing. He is well able to guide you into appropriate words to use to accomplish what He wants to do through you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, saved34 said: . If it’s not pornographic, It’s not pornographic but I know many Christians really try to guard their minds especially if they have struggled with sex. Edited August 5, 2019 by ReneeIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jostler said: There are MANY out there who need to know they are not alone in their experience and suffering and He will use you to speak into their lives in ways that bring life and healing. He is well able to guide you into appropriate words to use to accomplish what He wants to do through you. That is my hope that I can bring healing and education to others. I’m worried because there is a little bit of anger left and I don’t want to let anger influence what I chose to reveal. 19 minutes ago, Jostler said: If the so called "church" had been less prudish about this in the past we might not have a situation where divorce is more common INSIDE the so called church than it is even among the worldly. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandalfTheWise Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 24 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 2,377 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 @ReneeIW You might want to get specific legal advice about what is or is not okay to share publicly or privately on a site like this with strangers even if it might be okay in a book later. Should a hostile party catch wind of your activity on this site regarding your book, it's potential ammunition in a lawsuit. I have no law background, but my limited background in expert witness work has made me paranoid about saying anything to anyone regarding any legal action without a lawyer present. Any post (public or private) on this site could potentially be discoverable and used in a lawsuit. Unless a lawyer has told you otherwise, I'd be very cautious about sharing any details in a setting like this which were not specifically admitted to or provable or publicly available in some manner (e.g. court proceedings). My feeling is that the vast majority of people on here are trustworthy and on the up and up and can offer good counsel and encouragement. However, none of us knows who all the lurkers are who might have read this thread due to the title catching their attention. Down the line after your book comes out, some people might put two and two together and figure out who you are. In addition, we don't know what odd twist of a phrase in a random post might attract the attention of a search engine and pop this thread to the attention of people not on this site. This could pop up a couple years from now and depending on what other details you share in this thread and other threads and various things, quite a trail of information could potentially be put together. If necessary, I'm the admins could delete this thread. I'd just make sure that this thread and other activity on this site have been run past a lawyer before putting out much more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted August 4, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 4, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GandalfTheWise said: @ReneeIW You might want to get specific legal advice about what is or is not okay to share publicly or privately on a site like this with strangers even if it might be okay in a book later. Should a hostile party catch wind of your activity on this site regarding your book, it's potential ammunition in a lawsuit. I have no law background, but my limited background in expert witness work has made me paranoid about saying anything to anyone regarding any legal action without a lawyer present. Any post (public or private) on this site could potentially be discoverable and used in a lawsuit. Unless a lawyer has told you otherwise, I'd be very cautious about sharing any details in a setting like this which were not specifically admitted to or provable or publicly available in some manner (e.g. court proceedings). My feeling is that the vast majority of people on here are trustworthy and on the up and up and can offer good counsel and encouragement. However, none of us knows who all the lurkers are who might have read this thread due to the title catching their attention. Down the line after your book comes out, some people might put two and two together and figure out who you are. In addition, we don't know what odd twist of a phrase in a random post might attract the attention of a search engine and pop this thread to the attention of people not on this site. This could pop up a couple years from now and depending on what other details you share in this thread and other threads and various things, quite a trail of information could potentially be put together. If necessary, I'm the admins could delete this thread. I'd just make sure that this thread and other activity on this site have been run past a lawyer before putting out much more. "they" already know. They sent a minion after her from the very first post she made here. They have been and still are watching her every move. He is both her strength and security and every pit they dig for her they will fall into. There is more than one poster here who is totally sold out to this world system and the "god" of it. And He isn't intimidated by any of them....He laughs. Edited August 4, 2019 by Jostler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,652 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2019 You would only be tempting many Christians and causing them to fall if it is too erotic. Never cause a brother to stumble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, GandalfTheWise said: @ReneeIW You might want to get specific legal advice about what is or is not okay to share publicly or privately on a site like this with strangers even if it might be okay in a book later. Should a hostile party catch wind of your activity on this site regarding your book, it's potential ammunition in a lawsuit. I have no law background, but my limited background in expert witness work has made me paranoid about saying anything to anyone regarding any legal action without a lawyer present. Any post (public or private) on this site could potentially be discoverable and used in a lawsuit. Unless a lawyer has told you otherwise, I'd be very cautious about sharing any details in a setting like this which were not specifically admitted to or provable or publicly available in some manner (e.g. court proceedings). My feeling is that the vast majority of people on here are trustworthy and on the up and up and can offer good counsel and encouragement. However, none of us knows who all the lurkers are who might have read this thread due to the title catching their attention. Down the line after your book comes out, some people might put two and two together and figure out who you are. In addition, we don't know what odd twist of a phrase in a random post might attract the attention of a search engine and pop this thread to the attention of people not on this site. This could pop up a couple years from now and depending on what other details you share in this thread and other threads and various things, quite a trail of information could potentially be put together. If necessary, I'm the admins could delete this thread. I'd just make sure that this thread and other activity on this site have been run past a lawyer before putting out much more. I edited the reply where I asked someone to message me. Not because I’m worried about the legal ramifications but because I don’t want to burden anyone with the details and you are right that I don’t know anyone here well enough to discuss private details. I will discuss it again with my pastor. Thanks for your concern about any legal consequences. I’m not worried about that at all. I have received an ABUNDANCE of legal advice. I’ll say it again, a small part of it was already made public. He was already fired(although they said he stepped down). Others were trying to prevent all the details from coming out. They know I am writing a book and the main person in the book was given every opportunity to disagree with my accusations. There are too many witnesses and too much proof, so he couldn’t deny it. He apologized and asked for mercy first, which I gave him. I agreed not to tell things that would only hurt his family even though I’m legally allowed to tell anything I want as long as it is accurate. Last, no one would ever advise him to sue because too much would be revealed and he would be opening himself up to a countersuit for bringing a frivolous lawsuit. He could also face jail. Having said that, people bring lawsuits all the time even if their case has no merit. I’m not going to live in fear. They offered me money and help, which I turned down. It would be hard to bring a lawsuit after that. But anything is possible. The fact that you have to warn me about the possibility that devout Christian men might sue me speaks to the state of the church when it comes to covering up their crimes. I thought Christians were not suppose to sue one another. In any case, I appreciate your concern and advice. Edited August 5, 2019 by ReneeIW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Willa said: You would only be tempting many Christians and causing them to fall if it is too erotic. Never cause a brother to stumble. Amen Willa. That is what I am worried about with one specific detail. It’s the main thing that haunts me and it’s just awful. When I bring it up to my husband, he can’t even look me in the eye. I will just trust my pastor on this one. A small part of me is worried that people will think I am very mean for getting him fired. If they knew all the details they would not feel that way. So there is a little bit of pride going on. But I also think people need to know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 5, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 53 minutes ago, pinacled said: Why write fiction when you can study biological anatomy and garner respect within a sincere community of writers. Why even put forth any work towards a failed endeavor? Is monetary gain a motive. If so, Publishing companies will only extort you if you let them. Plagiarism is their game and has hit a plateau of corruption unlike any since the beginning of days. Keen Eyes I’m sorry but I don’t understand your reply. I will answer your question about monetary gain. I was offered money and turned it down. Too bad for them because abusers always try to claim that their victim is after money. I have documents proving I was offered money. And the first thing he said to me when I answered the phone was “What is it you want? Revenge?” So he knew how badly I was hurt and that money wasn’t going to solve it but he still tried. It is very sad that some people worship money (give me neither poverty nor riches)so much that they assume everyone has a price. By the grace of God I married someone successful whom God has kept gainfully employed. And I’m not going to make any money off of the book. I don’t think it will reach many people . I think the only people who will read it are those who know my offenders personally. The people who know them are all Christians and I worry about exposing them to too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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