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We understand that if someone is kidnapped, and this person belongs to an important, powerful, rich, person, then the kidnappers will want a ransom. (payment)

A "ransom" is a buying back, of something, or of someone.

When you became born again, when you were saved, God paid a ransom for you, and this is the Blood of Jesus.

"you are not your own, you are BOUGHT with a PRICE"....>"You are Christ's and Christ is God's".

The Blood of Jesus, is the full payment paid for your ransom, that has "blood bought" you back to God from your "lost" , "separated from God by sin", condition.

When a preacher or teacher uses the term "blood bought", they are referring to the ransom that God paid, ....a literal payment which is the cost of-for your sin debt that you owed God, that is Hell and the Lake of Fire.

So, the Blood of Jesus paid the PRICE for the eternal judgement due you, so that you would not be eternally damned, and eventually end up in Hell <> Lake of Fire after you died.

All This is the eternal consequence of the payment that God accepted on your behalf when Christ was offering Himself FOR YOU, bearing your sin, and in fact "Christ became sin".....on the Cross.

This Blood Atomentment Payment is eternally applied to you, as a free gift, the same instant that you from your heart, "called on the name of Jesus", and "received Christ as your Savior".

(Justification by Faith) = Alone.

In the present, after you are born again,  there are 4 main things that you are ransomed from, based on the Blood of Christ being your accepted "payment due" to God for your LIFETIME of sinning and unbelief.

 

1. You are redeemed (ransomed from- delivered from) your Adamic Nature

2. You are redeemed (ransomed from-delivered from) Sin's power.

3. You are redeemed from (ransomed from-delivered from) The Curse of the Law.

4. You are redeemed (ransomed from-delivered from) The Devil.

 

Now there are other things that are involved in your ransom that would be counted as part of your redemption :   Becoming an Heir of God and a Joint Heir with Jesus......and also,  health, prosperity, abundant life, prayer's answered, etc.

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I agree with all but the prosperity part.   There is a prayer that we may prosper even as our soul prospers, but that is only a petition.  We are also told that those who give to the poor will have there own needs supplied so that they can keep on giving to the poor.  God does not bless those whose desire is to get rich and spend it on their own pleasures.  Jas 4:3  You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.

 

2Co 9:7  Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

2Co 9:8  And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.

2Co 9:9  As it is written, "He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever."

2Co 9:10  He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.

2Co 9:11  You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every way, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God.

 

 1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain,  1Ti 6:7 for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world.

 1Ti 6:8 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.

 1Ti 6:9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.

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On 8/14/2019 at 2:27 PM, Willa said:

I agree with all but the prosperity part.  

"the prosperity part".

So, are you saying that all favor and blessing of God, cannot be in any way related to money?

Or are you saying that money is not the issue, and the prosperity of God is not the issue, but the issue is that there are certain people, including certain Christians, who cannot handle money, and covet it in a way that is carnal and fleshy?

The reason i ask is because there are Christians who spiritualize all "blessings" from God, and refuse to believe that a God who requires you to tithe with money, make offerings with money, and give money to the poor, would  want you to have plenty.

I have issues with these type believers, especially if what they believe is that God wants all his children broke and poor, as some type of test of their faithfulness, then they are teaching a "poverty gospel", and its not of God.

God does not work that way. The bible does not teach this, yet, some believers cannot accept that God "who gives you power to get wealth", could understand that His children not only need money, but its his pleasure to give them more.

God looks at motives, he does not look at money.

Motives are always the issue, and not money.

Money is not an issue.   And having a lot of it, is not an issue.  The issue is that certain people, certain Christians, cannot deal with money.

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3 hours ago, Behold said:

"the prosperity part".

So, are you saying that all favor and blessing of God, cannot be in any way related to money?

Or are you saying that money is not the issue, and the prosperity of God is not the issue, but the issue is that there are certain people, including certain Christians, who cannot handle money, and covet it in a way that is carnal and fleshy?

The reason i ask is because there are Christians who spiritualize all "blessings" from God, and refuse to believe that a God who requires you to tithe with money, make offerings with money, and give money to the poor, would  want you to have plenty.

I have issues with these type believers, especially if what they believe is that God wants all his children broke and poor, as some type of test of their faithfulness, then they are teaching a "poverty gospel", and its not of God.

God does not work that way. The bible does not teach this, yet, some believers cannot accept that God "who gives you power to get wealth", could understand that His children not only need money, but its his pleasure to give them more.

God looks at motives, he does not look at money.

Motives are always the issue, and not money.

Money is not an issue.   And having a lot of it, is not an issue.  The issue is that certain people, certain Christians, cannot deal with money.

God has promised to supply all our NEEDs--consider the lilies of the field.  My own values are such that I treasure spiritual blessing much higher than physical blessings.    Being far from wealthy as a widow living on SS, I have learned the blessedness of contentment.  My friend used to say "I may be poor, but I sure am rich!".  I agree wholeheartedly.  Having enough, and a little extra to share with others is being rich.  I love to give away Bibles, for instance, so I always have a couple of extra nice ones on hand looking for a good home.  The Scriptures are my most precious possession.  

If a person is able to keep material things in the same perceptive there would be no problem with abundance.  Paul said

 Phl 4:11 NKJV  Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content:  Phl 4:12  I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.   Phl 4:13  I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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10 hours ago, Behold said:

"the prosperity part".

So, are you saying that all favor and blessing of God, cannot be in any way related to money?

Or are you saying that money is not the issue, and the prosperity of God is not the issue, but the issue is that there are certain people, including certain Christians, who cannot handle money, and covet it in a way that is carnal and fleshy?

The reason i ask is because there are Christians who spiritualize all "blessings" from God, and refuse to believe that a God who requires you to tithe with money, make offerings with money, and give money to the poor, would  want you to have plenty.

I have issues with these type believers, especially if what they believe is that God wants all his children broke and poor, as some type of test of their faithfulness, then they are teaching a "poverty gospel", and its not of God.

God does not work that way. The bible does not teach this, yet, some believers cannot accept that God "who gives you power to get wealth", could understand that His children not only need money, but its his pleasure to give them more.

God looks at motives, he does not look at money.

Motives are always the issue, and not money.

Money is not an issue.   And having a lot of it, is not an issue.  The issue is that certain people, certain Christians, cannot deal with money.

God gives us what we need. If we pray for what we want God may give it to us and he may not depending on what His plan is for our life. The love of money is a sin. 

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11 hours ago, Willa said:

 

If a person is able to keep material things in the same perceptive there would be no problem with abundance.  Paul said

 

Very True.

It is a fact that "godliness with contentment is great gain".   But its also true that everything that exists belongs to God. And we are heirs of God, Joint Heirs with Christ  So, this means that everything you own, that i own......belongs to God., and so, it also belongs to us because we belong to Him.

This includes our money.  The fact is, existence of everything is God provided.   All things are created by and through Jesus, (who is God)  and all good things exit only because OF God.  

Goodness exists because God is Good.

After the fall, we understand that  "every bad thing on earth,  is a good thing twisted", and all this will be restored to purity and perfection at the 2nd Advent.

Currently Lions eat Lambs, but once Jesus restores correctness regarding the divine order of the universe, then Lions and Lambs will enjoy each others company.

 

Its also a fact that "streets of Gold",  regarding New Jerusalem, Heaven, is not a analogy.

God created trade and commerce, .    God (thru Christ) in fact created diamonds, pearls, rainbows, Purple Mountain Majesty, and He created money.

All of this is Godly.  All of this is Good.    God is a Father who supplies what we need, and more then we deserve.

"riches in Glory", is. not just gifts of the spirit and Light for life.

So, as i was saying, Money is not the problem, and having a lot of it is not a bad thing or a good thing......its just a fact.    And where the issue exists with money, is only found in the heart of a person.

Same as with everything else that God gives us all "richly to enjoy".

Being poor and happy is no more a credit to the grace of God then being rich and content.

Money is not evil.  Its only the heart that can be the problem, regarding money.

 

 

blessings,

 

 

B

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Yet the reason He gives us abundance is so that we can help others with our surplus.

2Co 8:12  For if the readiness is there, it is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have.

2Co 8:13  For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness

2Co 8:14  your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness.

 

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On 8/21/2019 at 7:12 AM, Willa said:

Yet the reason He gives us abundance is so that we can help others with our surplus.

 

 

Happiness is fleeting.  Its like the wind.  You feel it, then you dont.

The Joy of the Lord is not the same idea or content, as "happiness".

The Joy of the Lord is a deep inner wellness, a supernatural sense of fulfillment that is not related to having "stuff" or pursuing it.

Paul said that he could be content "abounding" or "abased".  This means financially prosperous or with very little.

All this (getting more stuff)  is carnal.  Yet, God created us to have DESIRE and we live in the middle of a world that is nothing but Eye Candy..   If you are breathing you have desire.  Desire is another word for want.

Money, just like desire, is God ordained.

The Buddha said that if we can get rid of  inner "want", . if we can live in a state of wanting nothing,... "Nirvana"...< he taught.... we are free from misery.

Nonsense.

The Buddha did not know God and did not understand that human beings are hard-wired by their Creator to have desire......"to WANT".

Want....wanting, is not bad........Its wanting what is bad for you, that is harmful,. its wanting what is wrong that is life destroying by pursuit.......is the problem with most people.

A wise person, before jumping into a season of flesh, will consider the cost, the consequence and stop.   A fool will see it, want it, and never think about what the cost of getting IT is going to be in a year, or 1o yrs, and they find out.

The fruit of the Spirit, is many things.....and one of them is self control.   And when we have disciplined self control that is gained by being under the dominion of Jesus and God and the word of God, then our want, our desire,  is filtered through wisdom, and we are able to choose wisely WHICH "wants" we pursue.  We are able, because of God's training to DISCERN.      Its discernment that is the fuel of wisdom.

So, you are exactly right when you say that God gives so that we can become a channel of His giving.  It IS more blessed to give then to receive because by giving we are BLESSING.

There is also the fact that God loves His children, and wants only the best for them.

Poverty and sickness is not the best for anyone, and certainly would not be the correct normal lifestyle for a Child of the One who owns it all.

God wants the same for us, that we would want for our Children.

We want them happy, healthy, financially secure, and living for Him.

He wants the same for each of us...

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