other one Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,088 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,833 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I agree that Scripture is very clear in regard to what is right and what is wrong.Lusting is wrong.If we could take the “ lust” out of the act of masturbation there would be no problem.Alas, there would also be no point. I'm not sure that is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,805 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 10 hours ago, ReneeIW said: If true, then it would only make sense that Scripture would have addressed this if it were a sin. I find Scripture to be very clear about what is right and and what is wrong. Obviously it doesn’t address some issues that have arisen centuries after Scripture was inspired. But masturbation has been going on since the beginning of time, so why exclude it from Scripture if it is a sin? Why exclude child abuse? That's not in the Bible. We know child abuse is a sin. And lesbianism was not in the Law even though it is mentioned in the NT. Was it not a sin in the OT? I believe it was. Guess what else is not in the Bible: porn is not; having sex with a child is not; sex trafficking and pimping is not . Those things took place in Bible times. But they are not mentioned in the Bible. Are they not wrong? Look, I'm not going to convince anyone who believes differently than me. I'm just saying that there are many harms springing forth from self-gratification. I listed several. How I can explain further is moot. To say that because it is not condemned in the Bible that it's perfectly fine as long as the only person you think about it is your spouse is to not consider the harms nor the addictive power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned by Grace Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 309 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 350 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/07/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 11 hours ago, ReneeIW said: Unfortunately this is not what is taught in many churches. Tim Keller had a sermons series about marriage which he turned into a book titled”The Meaning of Marriage.” In the series, he says you “have to make love even when you don’t feel like it.” A lot of pressure is put on women in some marriages. Some are told they are sinning if they say no to their husbands. Others worry their husbands will feel justified in straying if they say no to sex for whatever reason. Inthe Christian Church the men have a monopoly on how Scripture is being interpreted and taught and believe me they’re out there preaching you’ve got to be ready to go at a moments notice or you’re going against the will of God. I totally agree with you ReenelW. It's also taught the same thing on many men's forums. The men are so adamant about this that they beat their wives into emotional submission. Sadly, the Church today, as the Jews did, continue to violate the meaning of God's word in the application of legalism instead of LOVE. The intent of the scripture was to the wife, not the husband, and never meant that a husband had the right to demand sex or anything else from his wife. The whole idea of marriage is LOVE, and that the husband is to protect his wife in LOVE and be willing to die for her as Christ died for His Bride the church. Legalism runs ramped in our churches and Christian homes today with husbands dominating the marriage with God's word as a weapon against his wife and sometimes the children There is no room left in his heart for love of God or his wife. She becomes a tool who should act immediately to his every whim. We as husbands are told to love our wives, but not only is love lost in the marriage today, but a bigger problem is that love has been replaced by legalism in todays church. If you want to call it that. Like the Jewish leaders of old betrayed God's word given to them, the leaders in todays churches repeat history and drastically betray Gods word and teach all kinds of heresy and underlying hatefulness by pitting our brothers and sisters against one another, instead of drawing then closer to each other in love and respect for one another and for God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I agree that Scripture is very clear in regard to what is right and what is wrong.Lusting is wrong.If we could take the “ lust” out of the act of masturbation there would be no problem.Alas, there would also be no point. Can you remind me of the Biblical definition of lust? My understanding is that lust means you have an intense want or desire for something, and if given the opportunity would take it. So, when Christ talks about looking at a woman with lust...(not just noticing that she is an attractive woman) it means you want to be with her and would if you could. That is why adultery has already taken place in the heart. A lot of times masturbation is about calming an urge you are experiencing. And if you are a Christian, you need to practice guarding your mind during the act because the Devil will try to turn it into something sinful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Jayne said: Why exclude child abuse? That's not in the Bible. Are you suggesting that the Bible doesn’t teach that having sex with a child is a sin? As for everything else you mentioned, I believe they are ALL in the Bible. Porn is not mentioned specifically(I said there are obviously things that were not around in biblical times, therefore they aren’t mentioned in Scripture), but we can use discernment and know that everything about porn is wrong and that there are specific Bible verses that clue us in starting with Phil 4:8. We can also look at the fruit or consequences of porn and what it does overtime to those viewing it as well as the negative effects it can have on marriage and our overall view of sex. It can be very dangerous to go around preaching that masturbation is sinful. I have three young kids, including two young sons ages 7 and 9. I’m going to teach them abstinence until marriage. To suggest they go through the physical pain of not being able to touch their own bodies until they are married, will lead to years of unnecessary and unhealthy guilt. I just read a terrible book(in my opinion of course) called “Even In Our Darkness” by fallen pastor Jack Deere. In the book he struggles with sex and believes masturbation is wrong but ends up at a brothel in Mexico where there were 14 yr. old girls. Although he claimed the woman he was with was 30 yrs. old. He seemed to feel more guilt about masturbating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: A lot of times masturbation is about calming an urge you are experiencing. And if you are a Christian, you need to practice guarding your mind during the act because the Devil will try to turn it into something sinful. That seems to be the general plan, and the usual end result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: I just read a terrible book(in my opinion of course) called “Even In Our Darkness” by fallen pastor Jack Deere. In the book he struggles with sex and believes masturbation is wrong but ends up at a brothel in Mexico where there were 14 yr. old girls. Although he claimed the woman he was with was 30 yrs. old. This sounds familiar to what occurred to Jimmy Swaggart, but it happened right here in America. Edited August 16, 2019 by BeauJangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,088 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,833 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: Can you remind me of the Biblical definition of lust? My understanding is that lust means you have an intense want or desire for something, and if given the opportunity would take it. So, when Christ talks about looking at a woman with lust...(not just noticing that she is an attractive woman) it means you want to be with her and would if you could. That is why adultery has already taken place in the heart. A lot of times masturbation is about calming an urge you are experiencing. And if you are a Christian, you need to practice guarding your mind during the act because the Devil will try to turn it into something sinful. Lol. I think the devil does that with just about everything in life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BeauJangles said: That seems to be the general plan, and the usual end result. So you pray about it? Add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge and to knowledge self-control. Pray for self-control. Self-control means that you are tempted to do something wrong, but you control yourself. After much prayer, if you can’t seem to control your mind from going into dark places during that activity, then don’t do it. Everyone is different. We talked about alcohol in another thread.. If you know that after having one drink you will end up in jail, then you ought not be drinking. If you can’t touch yourself without thinking about all the women Trump has been with, then you probably shouldn’t touch yourself. Edited August 16, 2019 by ReneeIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ReneeIW said: If you can’t touch yourself without thinking about all the women Trump has been with them, then you probably shouldn’t touch yourself. I'm managing pretty well without having to dwell upon that, thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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