Bawcash Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 69 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 I grew up in a culture where is was looked at as a sin. But as an adult I don't really think so. I have heard that because of what Onan did in Genesis 3:9-10 and God killed him for it makes it a sin. It's kind of obvious that God wasn't happy with his attitude and it wasn't so much what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,789 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 14, 2019 https://www.gotquestions.org/masturbation-sin.html a very good treatise on the subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 Oh dear. It doesn’t do harm to another, so maybe not. But if your “friend” had to ask, maybe he is watching something that is sinful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.95 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Bawcash said: I grew up in a culture where is was looked at as a sin. But as an adult I don't really think so. I have heard that because of what Onan did in Genesis 3:9-10 and God killed him for it makes it a sin. It's kind of obvious that God wasn't happy with his attitude and it wasn't so much what he did. This topic has come up before. However, since you've mentioned Onan in particular, it wasn't the case of what used to be termed as, self abuse. Onan failed to follow the command for him to procreate, and it displeased the Lord. In Latin or medical terminology it's called, coitus interruptus. Here's the scriptures concerning this, and it's pretty well evident. Genesis 38:8-10 8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,776 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,746 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 God killed Onan because of greed. He was instructed to impregnate his dead brother's wife so that the first born's line would continue. If his brother, Er, whom God killed for reasons we don't know - just that he was evil - If Er bore no children, then the double portion intended for Er would go to Onan. But if Onan took Tamar and impregnated her FOR Er, then he would neve see the double portion of inheritance. It was all about greed. As far as masturbation, there's too much lustful fantasizing involved for it to be something that God could condone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jayne said: As far as masturbation, there's too much lustful fantasizing involved for it to be something that God could condone What if fantasizing about your spouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 15, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,776 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,746 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, ReneeIW said: What if fantasizing about your spouse? It's just my opinion, but the whole point of fantasizing is about it NOT being your spouse but: the naked girl on the page the people having sex on the porn film the perfectly chiseled hero in the love story the milkman the ........you get the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawcash Posted August 15, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 69 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/22/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Jayne said: It's just my opinion, but the whole point of fantasizing is about it NOT being your spouse but: the naked girl on the page the people having sex on the porn film the perfectly chiseled hero in the love story the milkman the ........you get the picture So it is the fantasizing that is wrong and not the act. So if you are married and you fantasize about your spouse or if you are single it could be a generic person who is your future spouse. Not all couple are on the same page sexually. Maybe medical reasons one is unable to have sex while the other is at his or her peak. Better to solo than cheat or grow resentful. If you are single and you still have the desires a normal healthy human has, Paul says to marry rather than burn. Well marriage isn't an option for a lot of people, and getting married just so you can have sex... not a good idea. So taking things into your own hands is most likely the best option. You can still say but self control, self control, self control. Self control means things don't get out of hand and start to interfere with your life and your relationship with God. You can eat donuts, it isn't a sin, but if it gets out of control and that is all you want to eat, then you have an issue that needs to be addressed and self control needs to come into play. Oh and what is a milkman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 15, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.95 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bawcash said: So it is the fantasizing that is wrong and not the act. It appears you're beginning to understand this aspect. 2 Corinthians 10:5 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 hours ago, Bawcash said: Not all couple are on the same page sexually. Better to solo than cheat or grow resentful. Many would be of the opinion, that an experience apart from being a couple would be considered an act of unfaithfulness. Husbands and wives need to work things out between themselves, as issues of intimacy are a personal matter. The Word does say this, however. Ephesians 5:22-23 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 2 hours ago, Bawcash said: Oh and what is a milkman? Ah! Back in the days, and even throughout the 1960's, one could contract through a local dairy, and persons known as milkmen, would make scheduled and/or often daily early morning deliveries directly to your doorstep. It was fresh and convenient for customers. Pretty much a bygone era now in the US, at least as far as I know. Edited August 15, 2019 by BeauJangles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted August 15, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,776 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,746 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Bawcash said: Oh and what is a milkman? The man who brought milk to the door everyday while the husband was at work back in the day when wives all stayed home. The old joke was if the baby didn't look like his father - look at the milkman. I hear a sense of you excusing this practice. A lot of people do. And, may I say without trying to offend anyone, I believe that every person who has ever lived throughout time has battled this whether just a few times or as large part of their lifestyle. I said that to say that the temptation is understood by all who read in this thread. I'm not being an old prune when I say these things. No, the Bible does not say whether masturbation is a sin or not. But there are some very real concerns questions that must be asked. First of all, sexual issues are like no other issues for mankind. Paul said that. He said that sexual sins were different from other sins. We cannot excuse ourselves with a self-absorbed "ME!" defense of any sexual sin. I really like Allen Parr on YouTube. He tackles some tough questions. He says that there are 6 six questions one should ask themselves concerning masturbation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV2IA3nW0Bs Am I having to lust to do this? I don't believe that lusting and fantasizing can be relegated to one's spouse ONLY. I just don't think it can be done. And as far as a single person is concerned, fantasizing about some mythical "future" spouse makes no sense. Those who are single and in bondage to persistent fantasizing and masturbation are ruining the reality of a REAL spouse. I've said this before here at Worthy. What if your real spouse one day is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, compared to your fantasy lover. Is this leading to other sexual sins? [porn, adultery - which starts in the heart, fornication, .....] And it does. Once a particular fantasy gets boring, one has to go to something else more mentally and/or visually explicit. That's just a reality. Is this wise or beneficial? That's the question on has to ask themselves about things that are not addressed in the Bible. Paul said that everything was permissible, but not all things were beneficial. Paul is speaking OF sexual things in 1 Corinthians 6 when he said this. Liberty in Christ is not freedom to what pleases you. Liberty in Christ, so says the Bible, is for the benefit of other and having the heart and life of a servant. Is this becoming an addiction? I believe it can be and is for many people. Am I being convicted or is there any remorse? If one is a Christian and feelings of guilt, remorse, self-loathing, and more follow this activity from the initial whim of a fantasy to when it's all over - something is wrong. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is calling for you to stop. And while the devil calls you to complete the act - only one message will win over. For the Christian - when you are engaging in an activity that you KNOW that for you is a sin and you know that the devil is winning that particular battle - misery ensues. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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