marvelloustime Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 206 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 5,608 Content Per Day: 2.85 Reputation: 11,415 Days Won: 33 Joined: 11/26/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) Hi all. I hope you don't mind me asking, but curiosity has finally got the better of me. Lol. In the U.S, do you really have chlorine washed chicken? And if you do, has it harmed you, or are you able to purchase non chlorine washed chicken? I ask because it's currently a big scare tactic in the UK re; doing a trade deal with the U.S. Curiosity has led me to ask you if this is all correct. I don't know much about it. This is a very strange world. Let's praise the Lord that as believers we are all one in Jesus, no matter which country on the earth we happen to reside in. Our true citizenship is in Heaven. Praise God. Becky. Edited August 14, 2019 by marvelloustime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post enoob57 Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,058 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 All I know is I'm not letting anyone bleach fluffy 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ayin jade Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 Chlorinated chicken– or chlorine-washed chicken – simply means that chicken was rinsed with chlorinated water; chlorine is not present in the meat. Just as chlorine helps make drinking water safe, it can help remove potentially harmful bacteria from raw chicken. Although it has been proven safe, most chicken processing plants have moved away from the use of chlorine as a food safety application during the production process. The National Chicken Council in the United States would estimate that chlorine is used in some rinses and sprays in only about 10% of processing plants in the U.S. Most of the chlorine that is used in the industry is used for cleaning and sanitizing processing equipment. However, numerous studies and scientific research have confirmed that the use of chlorinated water to chill and clean chicken is safe and effective. Chlorine-washed chicken does not pose any human health concerns and it is not present in the final product. All chicken produced in the United States is closely monitored and inspected by the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS). https://www.chickencheck.in/faq/chlorine-washed-chicken/ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlbrokish Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 532 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 1,293 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1972 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, marvelloustime said: In the U.S, do you really have chlorine washed chicken? And if you do, has it harmed you, or are you able to purchase non chlorine washed chicken? I ask because it's currently a big scare tactic in the UK re; doing a trade deal with the U.S. Curiosity has led me to ask you if this is all correct. I don't know much about it. This is a very strange world. I have never heard of chlorine being used, it may possibly be rumors that have been going around??? Here's a quote from the website, "Chickencheck.in" which explains procedures for processing chickens. "As an added measure to further reduce bacteria, water and an organic rinse may be applied to each bird. Any substance used for this purpose is closely regulated by both the USDA and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and has been approved for use in food production. Research has confirmed that the use of these rinses do not pose human health concerns; rather their use does improve the wholesomeness of finished products. Before this process, which includes chilling the birds to a lower temperature to keep fresh and clean, company quality assurance and food safety personnel inspect them once again for quality, food safety and wholesomeness. They follow strict regulatory and company standards for each bird entering the chilling process." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 unfortunately it is established practice, not only with chicken but all meat processing. carcasses are sprayed with a chlorine solution to reduce bacterial populations due to the inherently unsanitary conditions that arise with industrial slaughtering and processing as practiced (and enshrined/approved in the regulatory guidelines) I'd be MUCH more confident in the sanitation I could provide field dressing a cow hung from a tree ...outdoors...i wont go into details....but the inside of a US abattoir is disgusting. at home I always gave them a full shampoo bath the day before and i do mean a scrubbing....hooves picked clean and then overnighted on a completely cleaned stall with fresh sawdust and straw to keep them clean til it was time. and they'd already been fasting a day when they hit the stall so any "additions" they made to their clean stall during the night were liquid....not solid. 48 hrs of fasting prior to slaughter makes it a lot easier to handle the process with out risk of tainting the meat with fecal matter from the intestines. probably TMI...but "industrial" meat production is pretty horrific from start to finish here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlbrokish Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 532 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 1,293 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1972 Share Posted August 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, Jostler said: unfortunately it is established practice, not only with chicken but all meat processing. carcasses are sprayed with a chlorine solution to reduce bacterial populations due to the inherently unsanitary conditions that arise with industrial slaughtering and processing as practiced (and enshrined/approved in the regulatory guidelines) I'd be MUCH more confident in the sanitation I could provide field dressing a cow hung from a tree ...outdoors...i wont go into details....but the inside of a US abattoir is disgusting. at home I always gave them a full shampoo bath the day before and i do mean a scrubbing....hooves picked clean and then overnighted on a completely cleaned stall with fresh sawdust and straw to keep them clean til it was time. and they'd already been fasting a day when they hit the stall so any "additions" they made to their clean stall during the night were liquid....not solid. 48 hrs of fasting prior to slaughter makes it a lot easier to handle the process with out risk of tainting the meat with fecal matter from the intestines. probably TMI...but "industrial" meat production is pretty horrific from start to finish here. Being a dairy farmer, we become too attached to many of our cattle as they all seem to have their own "human-like" personalities. I understand what you are saying in describing sanitary practices of meat processing, so, for that I appreciate your post. We have the USDA inspect our dairy farm for sanitary equipment and such also. There are many, many guidelines and high standards to be qualified to sell milk that goes into cartons, or into making cheese and yogurt (as ours is used). It isn't too far of a stretch to believe that processing poultry would require the highest sanitary conditions possible. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, mlbrokish said: Being a dairy farmer, we become too attached to many of our cattle as they all seem to have their own "human-like" personalities. I understand what you are saying in describing sanitary practices of meat processing, so, for that I appreciate your post. We have the USDA inspect our dairy farm for sanitary equipment and such also. There are many, many guidelines and high standards to be qualified to sell milk that goes into cartons, or into making cheese and yogurt (as ours is used). It isn't too far of a stretch to believe that processing poultry would require the highest sanitary conditions possible. Thanks. milk production is a whole different kettle of fish than meat processing. if you're selling milk for production of curdled products....well any use really... a producer would be out of business real fast if they didn't deliver clean milk ready to be inoculated by the RIGHT bacteria Dairy farmers have a very strong incentive to guard milk parlor sanitation with their very life with or without inspections. and that means some care and concern for sanitation before your girls ever march into the milking stations. Meat packing is a totally different world....and much uglier given the drive toward speed and lowest possible cost sanitation practices Home slaughter and processing doesn't scale and a good full body shampoo isn't possible unless the steer is halter broke and used to human handling...even if the time and labor costs didn't prevent it....it would sure make an exciting show to try to scrub down a commercially raised steer that had never been handled like that before might be able to sell tickets to that show and recoup some of the cost....if you could find people brave and foolish enough to accept the job And yeah...the halter broke ones are not at all fun to put in the freezer....you might have to shed a tear for the steaks...it is a lot like slaughtering a pet....they do have more personality than many might think and you do get attached to them. My last project was a Brown Swiss but I ended up selling her at a show before she dropped her first calf. I swore if I ever saw a woman with big brown eyes like that heifer had I was sunk for life. And I did leak a little while the buyer was loading her in his trailer.....she used to play with me like a dog would. I grew up near Dallas but had a very blessed experience of both suburban and farm life between FFA and relatives that farmed and raised cattle in NW Oklahoma i got to work for during summers growing up. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlbrokish Posted August 14, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 532 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 1,293 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1972 Share Posted August 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Jostler said: a good full body shampoo isn't possible unless the steer is halter broke and used to human handling...even if the time and labor costs didn't prevent it....it would sure make an exciting show to try to scrub down a commercially raised steer that had never been handled like that before might be able to sell tickets to that show and recoup some of the cost....if you could find people brave and foolish enough to accept the job I can DEFINITELY visualize what you are saying, as even some Holsteins that are used to human handling can be extremely uptight when washed down with water or just being groomed in any way. It's highly unlikely that steers would be any calmer. May be a fun show to watch, as you say, as long as the human doesn't get kicked or trampled down. 25 minutes ago, Jostler said: And yeah...the halter broke ones are not at all fun to put in the freezer....you might have to shed a tear for the steaks...it is a lot like slaughtering a pet....they do have more personality than many might think and you do get attached to them. My last project was a Brown Swiss but I ended up selling her at a show before she dropped her first calf. I swore if I ever saw a woman with big brown eyes like that heifer had I was sunk for life. And I did leak a little while the buyer was loading her in his trailer.....she used to play with me like a dog would. I grew up near Dallas but had a very blessed experience of both suburban and farm life between FFA and relatives that farmed and raised cattle in NW Oklahoma i got to work for during summers growing up. there's been several that have been trucked out of here that my husband won't be near when they come to load her up. I still get choked up thinking of when my daughter's favorite show cow had to go and I heard her let out that hollow beller that was her distinct voice as the trailer pulled away. Also, my other daughter stopped eating beef the day that her first cow had to go to slaughter. We don't bug her about it, but we know why. Thanks... It's nice to talk cattle with others sometimes, especially when family farmers are dwindling these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted August 15, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,242 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,844 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Jostler said: Meat packing is a totally different world....and much uglier given the drive toward speed and lowest possible cost sanitation practices As a teenager I used to work as an electrician in the sixties, and often it was at the stockyards, in San Antonio Texas. If you want to see/taste/smell putrid, take a tour of the rendering plant. I had to often climb up a very long conveyor system to reach the drive motors to service or replace. These conveyors were not cleaned for maintenance, so all the blood and guts became very slippery, and without doubt, there were a bazillion fly's, making it difficult to even see. And this was considered a clean room compared to the leather tanning plant. I'm sure the sanitation process has been improved since. But I decided to become a carpenter........... PS; Though not really ranchers, we always ran cattle on our place, but for table beef, I would pick up new born dairy bulls for really cheap (can't milk bulls :) They, being new born, required instant feeding, and the girls were old enough to bottle feed them, and then calf manna. (Jersey bulls just don't fatten, no matter all the corn) Knowing the sentimental attachments would form, we gave them names,like Sir Loin, and Mister Tee Bone etc. A butcher friend with my help did the slaughtering and packing at his butcher shop, so the girls were spared that. (I would/could never be a butcher!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted August 15, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,899 Content Per Day: 3.26 Reputation: 4,828 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Godismyloveforever said: Want to be my friend, Fluffy? I will share my popcorn with you. ?? I've seen chickens loitering on the road. Is no-one training them to cross and move on these days? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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