Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, enoob57 said: I'm sorry but I do not understand this.... Sorry, me too. What do you want to tell or explain to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Hell is a real God created place where His wrath for rejection of Him in the Person of His Son shall place everyone who fits that billet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, enoob57 said: Hell is a real God created place where His wrath for rejection of Him in the Person of His Son shall place everyone who fits that billet... So? In what way my post contradicted that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 1:03 PM, Evgen said: Now, we humans are they who made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 3:03 PM, Evgen said: Who had created hell? GOD is Love – He couldn’t. Love doesn’t create tortures. On the other hand, All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3) So, who had made it? Let’s first try to make a passable definition. Hell (a.k.a. sheol, hades, gehenna, bottomless pit, underworld) is the spirit area, actually existing and operating in the spirit world. The exact physical position of hell is deep in the center of our Earth globe – “the nether parts of the Earth.” Please note Genesis 3:19; Psalms 63:9; Ezekiel 26:20; 31:14-18; 32:18-32. However, even if some researchers ever manage to get there, nothing of the sort might be found. The venture would have been much the same success as trying to see Angels out there in the sky. Proverbs 3:5; 21:30; 1Corinthians 1:19. Now, we humans are they who made it. All our sins (evil words & actions) are born in and commanded by the mind when we give in to evil thoughts sent out by the demons. For our mind is a battlefield. 2Corinthians 10:5; Ephesians 6:16-17. Those evil thoughts of humans develop into their evil intentions, attitudes, words, deeds, and thus “echo” in the spirit world at some spiritual dumping ground – hell. To that, Genesis 1:4 might well testify. Hell is still being enlarged by and actually waiting for the unsaved souls investing into it. For, surely, the total amount of sin done is much more than that repented of, confessed to and forgiven by LORD GOD. Proverbs 27:20. This Scripture (on another subject, but) might serve a good analogy: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven. (Matthew 18:18) There are many Parables of Christ helping us to comprehend Heaven and hell. Why can’t we also comprehend hell several ways, compared, say, to a bank wherein there are only negative accounts or debts (see Matthew 6:12) collected? Speaking of hell, there have always been people who had Visions of hell. The pictures honestly described are fearful, yet, hardly perceivable since they are but symbols. Which symbols require the right interpretations. Note Daniel 8:27; 10:1. Since hell is a spiritual substance, the tortures therein are spiritual too. The Scriptures defines hell as fire – the spiritual fire it is. The fearful pain which physical fire does to our body is thus well compared to the sufferings of a human spirit in hell – the eternal agony of his or her conscience. Psalms 51:3; Matthew 13:42,50; Luke 13:28. And what about Satan & his demons? Isn’t the hell (and the second death) their final destination? 2Peter 2:4 & Revelation 20:14. Christians apt to Godly sorrow & Repentance can pray, confess, and expect to be forgiven. Others can’t. Why? Because the demons block up the voice of their conscience by evil thoughts of worldly reason. Genesis 3:6-7; Isaiah 59:7-11. Repentance isn’t possible in hell. How come? The time is up. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8; Jeremiah 8:6-7. Communications, whether good or evil, aren’t possible too. Spiritual darkness makes for that terrible loneliness. Every spirit is alone to mind his or her sorrows. Matthew 8:12; 22:13; 25:30. Nobody blocks one’s conscience anymore. 2Corinthians 4:4. At last, it’s free. For those who did that evil job are busy with their own pains. Matthew 25:41. Well, to each his due. Exodus 33:33; Job 34:11; Psalms 62:12; Jeremiah 17:10. Prayers aren’t heard too. For, possibly, only there & then the well-known worldly expression “God-forgotten place” is right. Those who died unbelievers will find exactly what they believed in themselves and taught others: “there is no GOD.” Deuteronomy 8:19; Job 8:13-14; Psalms 9:17; 14:1 & 53:1; Hosea 4:6. Want to have a glimpse in the hell? Try to imagine your clear & total recall and the remorse embracing all your past evil thoughts, words, and works. Romans 3:23. How much time would you manage to continue in such a state of mind? The condemned spirits abide so endlessly. Jude 1:7; Revelation 20:10,14,15; 21:8. Many persons, I am aware, have entered into ingenious debates about the Eternal Fire, by which the wicked will be tormented after the Judgment. But we may conclude from many Passages of Scripture, that it is a metaphorical expression... Let us lay aside the speculations, by which foolish men weary themselves to no purpose, and satisfy ourselves with believing, that these forms of speech denote, in a manner suited to our feeble capacity, a dreadful torment, which no man can now comprehend, and no language can express... (John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists... pp 200-201) Scripture further references: Psalm 9:15 (the hell is made by sinners) Isaiah 5:14 (the hell is being enlarged) Matthew 8:12; 22:13; 25:30 (outer darkness) 2Peter 2:4 (the hell is reserved unto Judgment) Revelation 14:9-10; 19:20; 20:10; 21:8 (spiritual fire) Revelation 20:13-14 (the hell becomes the second death) [From “Q & A – Christian Communion in Questions & Answers,” chapter 8] Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire Quote prepared for the devil and his angels. Who do you think prepared this place? May I ask if you are born again and do you know Jesus as your personal Savior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, angels4u said: Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire Who do you think prepared this place? May I ask if you are born again and do you know Jesus as your personal Savior? GOD created the Universe, the World we live in inclusive. The place you speak about was just spiritual emptiness, outside darkness, divided from the Light of GOD. Right now, it's the netherworld. Later it will go somewhere away from New Heaven & New Earth. Make that clear before asking on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, enoob57 said: I will also ask you something. This picture of yours, is it really you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,157 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted August 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Evgen said: I will also ask you something. This picture of yours, is it really you? all but the color and eyes are enhanced ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Evgen Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, enoob57 said: all but the color and eyes are enhanced ... Because it explains a lot in your questions. Do you think it's possible to be (literally) in the darkness (fire) of hell and see Paradise? And, being in Paradise to see the tortures of hell and enjoy Paradise? Edited August 18, 2019 by Evgen follow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 11:03 AM, Evgen said: Who had created hell? GOD is Love – He couldn’t. Love doesn’t create tortures. On the other hand, All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:3) So, who had made it? Let’s first try to make a passable definition. Hell (a.k.a. sheol, hades, gehenna, bottomless pit, underworld) is the spirit area, actually existing and operating in the spirit world. The exact physical position of hell is deep in the center of our Earth globe – “the nether parts of the Earth.” On 8/16/2019 at 11:03 AM, Evgen said: Now, we humans are they who made it. This ascribes to humans an ability we do not have. Actually the bible does not give an exact location of hell, any place we think is the location is purely speculation, not fact. What the bible does describe is a place of judgment; that no one can escape from. Jesus never says where it is located, but does home in on the importance of avoiding going there. And how to avoid going there. Scripture explicitly says that hell was created for satan and the rebelling angels of his. God does not wish for us to experience his judgment. Yes, He is love; but He is absolutely Holy, pure and just; sin cannot exist in his presence. Nothing impure will be in heaven. And for this reason God gently encourages all peoples to turn from sin and seek him while we are alive on this earth; because after we die there is no second chance to be cleansed of the guilt of immorality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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