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How could Henokh and Elijah taken to heaven before the Redemption of sin on the cross ?


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How could Henokh and Elijah taken to heaven before the redemption of sin is done on the cross ?

John 19:30   When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is done".

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41 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

How could Henokh and Elijah taken to heaven before the redemption of sin is done on the cross ?

John 19:30   When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is done".

Heaven is no more then repentance of sin, I believe (Matthew 4:17). We can all repent of our sin at any time.

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44 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Heaven is no more then repentance of sin

If thats so why need a Redeemer ?

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To answer the OP. Because God...

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12 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

If thats so why need a Redeemer ?

We have all sinned, making us vulnerable to Satan's eternal persecution, as I understand it. However, the Lord's death on the cross rescued us from that. Even so, the Lord desires we repent of our sin, and if we don't, he will allow us to experience the consequences of our sin. And if we do, we have peace of mind. Would heaven be of any benefit if it didn't include peace of mind?

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Because God dwells in the eternity and all is accomplished in Him... God is to holy to look upon sin 

Hab 1:13

13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?
KJV


so only through the work of The Son can God look upon man... and only through the work of The Son can man be made of pure eyes...

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2 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

How could Henokh and Elijah taken to heaven before the redemption of sin is done on the cross ?

John 19:30   When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is done".

 

They were saved through Old Testament dispensation...

Hebrews 9:11 (KJV)
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
[12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
[13] For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

Remember Lot...

2 Peter 2:6 (KJV)
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
[7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
[8] (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

 

God had a redemption plan for the Old Testament saints, which was a shadow of things to come.

God bless!

 

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Christ said in Matthew 19:26 "With men, this is impossible. With God all things are possible". That answers multitudes of questions.

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3 hours ago, unworthyservant said:

Christ said in Matthew 19:26 "With men, this is impossible. With God all things are possible".

If thats the case why need a Redeemer ?

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The redeemer isn't for Elijah or Enoch. He came to redeem us. They have been redeemed for centuries. It's this sinful world in which WE live that needs the Redeemer.  

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