ReneeIW Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) Edited Edited August 24, 2019 by ReneeIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 God told them to offer sacrifices and that Job would pray on their behalf and God would accept Job's prayer. Job did so, likely forgiving his friends for their harshness himself. God restored Job's fortunes two-fold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Well there you go. I love happy endings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, BeauJangles said: Well there you go. I love happy endings. And we lived happily ever after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Job is one of the most fascinating books in the Bible to me. And I do think different aspects of the gospel are pre-figured and hinted at in many places in Job. Job is probably the oldest book in the Bible. Job probably lived somewhere close to the time Abraham did, and it would be close to 500 years before the Law would be given to Moses. It kinda changed my view of that period of history when I realized there WAS some pretty detailed knowledge of God and His ways among at least some of mankind in that era. Earlier in the book Job had lamented the fact that he was unable to lay hold of God, and ask for an audience to make his case and expressed a desire for an 'intercessor' that could approach God and make his case for him. Job repeatedly, accurately, expressed his understanding that if he could stand before God he would have no righteousness in His eyes. It took me a long time and quite a few passes through the book to realize Job was not proclaiming his righteousness before God. He was lamenting the fact he didn't know what sin he'd committed to deserve the suffering he was going through, and a desire for an audience with God to find out...so he could repent and be freed of the suffering. Job did err in allowing his suffering and lack of insight into why he was suffering cause him to judge his circumstance as if he were more righteous than God. And God set him straight on that when He did show up. Quote Job 23:3-6 “Oh that I knew where I might find Him, That I might come to His seat! I would present my case before Him And fill my mouth with arguments. I would learn the words which He would answer, And perceive what He would say to me. Would He contend with me by the greatness of His power? No, surely He would pay attention to me." The whole of Chapter 23 appears to be a lament at the lack of any possibility of coming before God to have his case heard. In the verses you posted several aspects of the good news were foreshadowed. The shedding of blood covering sin is one. I think ALL the OT mentions of blood sacrifice both here, and later when the Law of Moses codified and gave still more types and shadows of the coming Redeemer exemplified in the Tabernacle worship requirements point to Jesus and His final sacrifice on our behalf. It's easy to fail to notice that the very first blood sacrifice was in the Garden. Made by God Himself: Quote Gen 3:21 ¶ Also for Adam and his wife the LORD God made tunics of skin, and clothed them. Innocent animals died, by God's own hand, to provide cover for the shame of nakedness, which Adam's sin suddenly revealed. Blood was shed in this first "type" of the gospel. Abel obviously understood that the sacrifice demanded by God involved shedding the blood, the life of the innocent, was necessary. How he learned that we are not told, but his actions demonstrated he understood, and Cain's offering and God's rejection of it, and judgement of it, demonstrated Cain knew it too, but still wanted to offer the work of his own hands as justification. His offering was rejected. Quote Job 19:23-27 “Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book! That they were engraved on a rock With an iron pen and lead, forever! For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth; And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God, Whom I shall see for myself, And my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! Amazing to me, but Job obviously knew the promise of a Redeemer, and he knew redemption meant deliverance from death and resurrection in a new flesh body that would see his Redeemer with his own eyes. And he looked forward to that promise with eyes of faith, longing to finally see that day. Quote Job 42:7-9 ¶ And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and My servant Job shall pray for you. For I will accept him, lest I deal with you according to your folly; because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.” ¶ So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD commanded them; for the LORD had accepted Job. I think the gospel is very clearly pre-figured and portrayed in the verses you had us look at. Not only was the shedding of blood again revealed as necessary, but it appears God chose Job to stand as a type of the very Redeemer/High Priest/Intercessor Job had expressed a longing to see. God commanded the three friends whose words were hard and inaccurate in describing Him to sacrifice and ask JOB to pray for them, and He would accept JOB's intercession on their behalf. There is much more in that book, including the sin satan based his accusation on, and why God HAD to allow the test. Satan had LEGAL grounds before the Court. And used those to attack God's motives and His right (legally) to hedge Job and bless him as He had. I recognized there was something very wrong with my view of Job, and of God, when after reading the book the first time, I found myself nodding in agreement with the statements of Eliphaz and his two friends, only to find if I had been there, God would have rebuked me too, and I would have needed to ask Job to pray for me too. It took me a lot of time, rereading and asking for insight to even begin to figure out why. I am certain I still have not uncovered all the treasures in that book, but what I have been shown has made it a real treasure to me. It's interesting to note, we have five men here whose knowledge of God was detailed and broad. Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar took their rather astonishing knowledge of God and His ways and misapplied it to Job's situation, resulting in unrighteous judgement, for which they were rebuked. Only Elihu, the youngest escaped rebuke. Re-read Elihu's arguments :). Of all the 5 men, Elihu had the best understanding of God's ways and righteous application of that understanding to Job's situation. I do dearly love the book of Job We can discern a great deal about the operation of the Court....the "laws" that govern it and the work our Intercessor does now that He is revealed. Edited August 18, 2019 by Jostler 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jostler said: I do dearly love the book of Job We can discern a great deal about the operation of the Court....the "laws" that govern it and the work our Intercessor does now that He is revealed. Really great post, Jostler. I loved it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 18, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 Jostler, I’m overwhelmed by how beautiful, eloquent and thoughtful your post is. I read it several times. It was a blessing to read. And of course it has inspired me to read and study the book of Job! It really is a fascinating book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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