ReneeIW Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 What does the Church teach about these Scriptures?Is this Christ appearing in Old Testament times or an Angel? 1. Joshua 5:13-15 King James Version (KJV) 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. 2. Daniel 3:25 King James Version (KJV) 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 To answer the OP. YES. 'Messenger or angel' is a job description. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: To answer the OP. YES. Are you saying yes it is Jesus Christ in both instances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: Are you saying yes it is Jesus Christ in both instances? Yes, because it is Holy Ground. However, the 'captain' could be Michael, but Yahweh is present so therefore it is Holy ground. The captain represents Yahweh, so it may also be Yeshua and not Yahweh or both together and Michael the captain.. They often appear together. For instance, the burning bush. If it were just Michael, then he would refuse worship. Sometimes Yeshua leaves a conversation, but the Lord Yahweh is still there and speaks. Like in Gideon's encounter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, ReneeIW said: What does the Church teach about these Scriptures?Is this Christ appearing in Old Testament times or an Angel? For those who know how to rightly divide the Word of truth, it is Christ in the passages of Joshua and Daniel. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, ReneeIW said: What does the Church teach about these Scriptures?Is this Christ appearing in Old Testament times or an Angel? 1. Joshua 5:13-15 King James Version (KJV) 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. 2. Daniel 3:25 King James Version (KJV) 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. It is the Lord. Jesus is in the OT. The OT uses the term angel of the Lord interchangeably with the Lord in the form of a christophany. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted August 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,445 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,363 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 hours ago, ReneeIW said: What does the Church teach about these Scriptures?Is this Christ appearing in Old Testament times or an Angel? 1. Joshua 5:13-15 King James Version (KJV) 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. 2. Daniel 3:25 King James Version (KJV) 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. To me, it's plain and evident this is the pre-incarnate Christ, or pre-incarnate Christophany. Heavenly angles of the Lord never allow themselves to be worshiped, and always direct worship to the Lord. It's forbidden for us to worship angles or angels to accept worship (Satan excluded). Where an angel stands is never Holy ground. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted August 20, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) This man proved to be the God of heaven, one of the persons of the Divine Godhead who was personally leading Israel from Egypt. He now revealed Himself as a man, so that from outward appearance He stood like a man, looked like a man, held a sword like a man, spoke like a man with an audible voice, and Joshua approached Him like a man(v 13). Joshua worshipped Him (v 14), and such reverence belongs only to Divine ones. If He had only been a messenger of God He would not have permitted worship. Joshua called Him Lord, master, owner. Joshua recognised himself as His servant. Edited August 20, 2019 by HAZARD 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReneeIW Posted August 20, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Anyone know how these verses are interpreted in Judaism? Obviously they don’t believe it’s the Lord Jesus but they also have to recognize that Jews were forbidden to bow down and worship anyone but God. So who do they say Joshua is worshipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted August 20, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, ReneeIW said: Anyone know how these verses are interpreted in Judaism? Obviously they don’t believe it’s the Lord Jesus but they also have to recognize that Jews were forbidden to bow down and worship anyone but God. So who do they say Joshua is worshipping? As previously stated, Hebrews understood the 'two Yahweh' concepts. No doubt they are ALL there along with Michael the Captain. Possibly similar to when Abram hosted the 'three men' just before the destruction of Sodom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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