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Shalom All,

I just wanted to stand up for @Betha for a moment.  I'm not saying I align with her views entirely or everything she says but I do still respect her opinion as valid.

It's all very well to talk about the finished work of the Messiah and rest we have in Him, but there are many weak brothers and sisters out there and in this forum.  Weak brethren who will read such things as a license to not bother removing the dross in their life and take up discipleship.   In this regard, I think we need people like Betha reminding us to not slip back under the flesh or pagan practices under an illusion of rest and freedom.

I'm not threatening anyone's salvation and I'm not say works equals salvation.  I'm not saying you need to say 'Yeshua' and I'm not saying sabbath observance is mandatory for salvation.

What I am saying is that we are one Body of many parts.  One man/woman cannot hold the complete revelation of Yahweh's word and the Messiah's teachings - we need to come together and share our revelations and learn from each other, to see the bigger picture. 

So yes, @George can be right and yes, Betha can be right.   Both have valid points that are good and edifying for us all.   It's good to enjoy His rest and praise Him for it AND it's good to err on the side of caution, assessing our walk soberly, humbly and with fear.

Why are we always trying to divide opinions instead of seeking ways to unify them?   We subconsciously assume that we have understood what we need to know to be complete with our  walk, and then defend it vehemently.   

But however knowledgeable we think we are, the disciples were more knowledgeable of the Lord and the Scribes were more knowledgeable of the Scriptures.  To them, the Messiah said to become like little children - that is, humble, inquisitive, innocent and teachable.  So how is it we do not do this today and all bold in our stance and knowledge?   We might say we are like children but, as soon as someone shares the revelations they've had, we shut them down as deceived, confused, heretical or basically "not understanding the Scriptures correctly".  

I'm not accusing in here of anyone doing the above, but it is a common trend.  I'm sure if the Messiah came down secretly today many Christians would argue with His teachings like the religious leaders in the first century did.  Are we limiting wisdom by the name it's delivered to us by?

We all have so much to learn that we simply cannot do alone.  We have to consider our families viewpoints like a willing, interested and humble child.  I speak to my shame as I have been guilty of not doing this in the past, but where is the glory in standing defiantly on a viewpoint? It only implies that we are complete in understanding.

In summary, two views that appear to be polar opposites - may actually offer the balance they each need. 

Love & Shalom

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43 minutes ago, Tzephanyahu said:

Shalom All,

I just wanted to stand up for @Betha for a moment.  I'm not saying I align with her views entirely or everything she says but I do still respect her opinion as valid.

It's all very well to talk about the finished work of the Messiah and rest we have in Him, but there are many weak brothers and sisters out there and in this forum.  Weak brethren who will read such things as a license to not bother removing the dross in their life and take up discipleship.   In this regard, I think we need people like Betha reminding us to not slip back under the flesh or pagan practices under an illusion of rest and freedom.

I'm not threatening anyone's salvation and I'm not say works equals salvation.  I'm not saying you need to say 'Yeshua' and I'm not saying sabbath observance is mandatory for salvation.

What I am saying is that we are one Body of many parts.  One man/woman cannot hold the complete revelation of Yahweh's word and the Messiah's teachings - we need to come together and share our revelations and learn from each other, to see the bigger picture. 

So yes, @George can be right and yes, Betha can be right.   Both have valid points that are good and edifying for us all.   It's good to enjoy His rest and praise Him for it AND it's good to err on the side of caution, assessing our walk soberly, humbly and with fear.

Why are we always trying to divide opinions instead of seeking ways to unify them?   We subconsciously assume that we have understood what we need to know to be complete with our  walk, and then defend it vehemently.   

But however knowledgeable we think we are, the disciples were more knowledgeable of the Lord and the Scribes were more knowledgeable of the Scriptures.  To them, the Messiah said to become like little children - that is, humble, inquisitive, innocent and teachable.  So how is it we do not do this today and all bold in our stance and knowledge?   We might say we are like children but, as soon as someone shares the revelations they've had, we shut them down as deceived, confused, heretical or basically "not understanding the Scriptures correctly".  

I'm not accusing in here of anyone doing the above, but it is a common trend.  I'm sure if the Messiah came down secretly today many Christians would argue with His teachings like the religious leaders in the first century did.  Are we limiting wisdom by the name it's delivered to us by?

We all have so much to learn that we simply cannot do alone.  We have to consider our families viewpoints like a willing, interested and humble child.  I speak to my shame as I have been guilty of not doing this in the past, but where is the glory in standing defiantly on a viewpoint? It only implies that we are complete in understanding.

In summary, two views that appear to be polar opposites - may actually offer the balance they each need. 

Love & Shalom

Thank you TZ for your 'sane' viewpoint in this discussion.....we are none finished learning yet and should not make concrete statements unless they rest on scripture.. Yashua referred to 'it is written'when disputing with the devil and we also should rely on GOD's Word when dealing with each other....but sadly we allow PERSONSL opinions to interfere....sooooo GOD speed but less haste, a very real human failing leading to injustice and false accusation. ONLY GOD knows our true state !

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Although a spirit of unity is good, using it to ignore or condone clearly wrong teaching is wrong, and against the teachings of the scriptures.

Sometimes thing are just plain wrong, and it is our duty and responsibility to uncover them.

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2 hours ago, maryjayne said:

Although a spirit of unity is good, using it to ignore or condone clearly wrong teaching is wrong, and against the teachings of the scriptures.

Sometimes thing are just plain wrong, and it is our duty and responsibility to uncover them.

Dont you think that this line of thinking will only lead to further division, labelling and independence? Yes, sometimes things are just plain wrong. But most times its not as simple as that.  Have you never been wrong about something important before?  

We must give credit and the benefit of the doubt to every brother and sister if we're to begin unity or at least love and respect each other...

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others. - Philippians 2:3-4

But assuming that you are wise enough to serve your "duty and responsibility" properly and that your brother and sister cannot, is a problem and hypocritical. 

I don't know. I'm just saying I dont think we should criticise, reprove and doubt as quickly as we do for the sake of "safety". What of the cost in doing so?  Besides deception rarely attacks head on but with sweet, soothing words. 

I'll leave you all to carry on now. Just throwing in my opinion and I know it won't be heard by all. 

Love & Shalom 

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@Tzephanyahu  Yes I do think false teaching should be exposed immediately, ...it's our duty as the blood bought children of God!  

You say we must consider the opinions of others, ...the Word teaches opinions are heresy, ...this false teaching that the Church MUST worship on Saturday and those that don't have taken the Mark of the Beast is NOT teaching from the Holy Spirit, ...just because 170 years ago Miller was proved wrong about his predicting the day of the Rapture and then after this enormous embarrassing heresy, mademoiselle White came up with the brilliant idea, an even greater heresy, ...that the TRUE church MUST worship on Saturday is NOT the TRUTH! 

Jesus Christ is not the Truth, ...He IS TRUTH, ...the WORD became flesh, and He told the Holy Spirit to write for us the TRUTH through the quill of an anonymous writer in the book of Hebrews chapter four that He is the Sabbath Rest for ALL mankind, ...the Sabbath rest in the Old Covenant was a day, ...the Sabbath rest in the New Covenant is the God-Man, Jesus Christ, ...the Old Covenant has been accomplished, finished, paid in full, ...on the Cross, ...we are now living in the New Covenant, ...THAT is the TRUTH, revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, ...and any false teaching that denies that must be exposed for what it is, ...heresy.

I apologize if that seems strong to you or anyone else, ...the fact of the matter is we who have received the Lord Jesus Christ in our hearts as our Savior, bought and paid for by/with His Precious Blood, must live by faith, ...the just live by faith, ...the Holy Spirit tells us we are to be "perfecting" the saints and the word perfecting  is a medical term that is used to explain setting a broken bone, does anyone want a broken bone in their body to not be set correctly? Of course not, ...used in the context of Eph 4:12 we are to be mending the saints of any false teaching they have been exposed to, ...we are to be setting the broken bone precisely, so that it will mend correctly, ...to edify, to build up the saint, ...for what purpose, ...the unity of the faith Eph 4:13, ..there's only one faith, ...and the knowledge of the Son of God, ...there's only one knowledge of the Son of God, to what end, ...that we might become perfect (complete)and mature in our understanding of the completed work of Christ for us. 

This knowledge is precise and correct knowledge about Divine TRUTH that has been revealed to us only by the Holy Spirit:

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of Wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him:  Eph 1:17

Lord bless

 

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On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 5:57 AM, Tigger56 said:

Sorry, but seems like you are using Barnabas as scripture. In the review of it, it definitely is not in unity with scripture. I never see in scripture where the apostles ever "kept" the first day of the week as their worship day.

I have no idea what the conversation is amongst you all .    But I just wanted to say ,  THANK YOU .   The barnabas stuff is not scripture  and I have read many of the so called

early church fathers ,     NOPE ,    don't follow them . 

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Bumped for reference to the post by Steward George on page 11

 

... back to the question at hand ... why Yeshua and not Jesus?  I've personally visited and been to "Messianic" congregations where "Yeshua was welcomed" and "Jesus was despised", and I believe this is heretical to its core. 

Jesus is simply the latin transliteration of the Greek Iesous ... it was simply the way you spelled it.   God is bigger than how you pronounce his name ... he is literally looking at the hearts and intents of men.  I was saved in the name of "Jesus" and it wasn't for a few years that I even heard the name "Yeshua".  I was radically transformed and changed in the name of "Jesus" ... it wasn't the name that transformed ... it was Jesus that literally transforms people!  :)

That's the ultimate proof ... are you a sinner transformed and redeemed?   

 

 

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On 8/23/2019 at 2:07 PM, maryjayne said:

I am reading this thread as a salvation issue. If we love Jesus and obey Him, we are saved. In order to love Jesus we need to keep the 10 commandments. Therefore not keeping the 10 commandments means we dont love Him and obey Him, so we are not saved.

Perhaps more clarification and explanation of why love and obedience together, not just one of them, is a salvation essential  would be helpful please?

I have bolded certain words to help explain what precisely is confusing me here. No rudeness or insult is intended. I am no sure of the etiquette of bolding.

I just happened across this post of yours and must say that I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ! so WHY are we arguing  about it on another thread ??? or am I misunderstanding you ?

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1 minute ago, Betha said:

I just happened across this post of yours and must say that I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ! so WHY are we arguing  about it on another thread ??? or am I misunderstanding you ?

Showing our love for Jesus through obedience is not part of salvation.

It is a result of salvation.

It follows on from Salvation afterwards, if the person is truly saved, but is not an element of salvation itself. 

This is where we differ. You appear to see obedience as part of the salvation process.

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Nobody in this nation knows Yeshua, they only know Jesus for centuries, , does that make them pray to Stones ?

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