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2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Some very good questions. We have to take the scriptures as read. If the Lord says we should or ought to do something, then we should choose  whether to do it or not. Many people become Christians without knowing a thing God said. This is where His Grace comes in. When we are confronted with something, we then have to choose. Sadly the church and its many and varied doctrines have kept us from much truth because they like it THEIR WAY and not the way of the Cross. It is up to the individual to decide because as IMAGERS of the Most High God, we should follow the perfect image He gave us, the Lord Jesus/Yeshua.

So because believers are at various stages, we cannot say that keeping the Ten Commandments will EARN their way to salvation, but we can say that doing as God directs will lead to their Sanctification. There are many confusing arguments about salvation vs sanctification. It is better not to get embroiled in them since it may lead to confusion.

So, eventually we chose like Joshua did. "Choose this day whom you will serve; as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord"

hmm..............doesnt answer the question though : (

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11 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

hmm..............doesnt answer the question though : (

The question is answered to the best of my ability. Do not listen to those that muddy this issue with their poorly though out reasons for not keeping the Sabbath. Look at it logically.

1) We need to be saved. In order to do so we must believe on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus. That is that.

2) Afterwards we ought to turn from sin in varying ways and by varying degrees. But this bears not on our Salvation since it is a free gift of Love.

3) Now along comes a thought. Wow, to show my Love for Him that first Loved me, I ought to obey His commandments. It is out of OUR love for Him that we obey, not so He will love us more or to make us more acceptable. It is purely a love thing and never a demand from Him.

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52 minutes ago, Sower said:

So, based upon what I have understood in your post, I need to return to keeping the Sabbath holy as it was explained in the word?
This would mean, to YOU, my returning back to the Lord, and would then be saved, or re saved?
Could you explain how this affects my/everybody's  salvation.
Thanks Betha....

You say " Believe and rest in the Gospel" 1 Corinthians 15:1-4  (I do)

 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I understood this, and believed this, forty plus years ago.
Was that not enough?

I've said before, I believe the Sabbath is holy, and Sunday, along with all the other days.
Every day is the day the Lord has made.
To be worshiping God!


 

I think we can assume that most Gentiles who become Christians are told that Jesus resurrected on Sun day ? This comes from the RCC who introduced Sun day as the new worship day ! Since this is a blatant lie how can those who believe it 'be saved ??? 

To believe the Gospel 1 Cor 15 v1-4.means to believe the TRUTH ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE....NOT a concoction from the Pope !

So now if you are prepared to be corrected by the Word of God will you TURN to the TRUTH and BE SAVED ?

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11 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The question is answered to the best of my ability. Do not listen to those that muddy this issue with their poorly though out reasons for not keeping the Sabbath. Look at it logically.

1) We need to be saved. In order to do so we must believe on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus. That is that.

2) Afterwards we ought to turn from sin in varying ways and by varying degrees. But this bears not on our Salvation since it is a free gift of Love.

3) Now along comes a thought. Wow, to show my Love for Him that first Loved me, I ought to obey His commandments. It is out of OUR love for Him that we obey, not so He will love us more or to make us more acceptable. It is purely a love thing and never a demand from Him.

Exactly, the NT observances are BASED ON LOVE....not on commandments.....and we show our love after HE first loved us ! This is the love of God that we keep his commandments, which now are better described as PRINCIPLES and the inclusive Sabbath from the very FOUNDATION of creation.....absolutely essential to keep in place as GOD commanded. Breaking (not keeping His law) is SIN and will keep us from the Kgd. 1 Joh 3v4.  

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3 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Seeking God’s “ requirements”for Salvation will not work . If you choose to go the performance route for your justification before God, you will come up short.The Standard for Keeping the requirements is Perfection—- and you nor anyone else can keep it. Thankfully, God has provided another way, if you are interested.Simply believe the Gospel Of 1cor15:1 and rest in it.Thats the only requirement you must observe to be saved.You need to change your mind-set.Repent from trying and move on to trusting.

 

friend you have me back to front. I do NOT WORK for salvation of my own effort but rather RESPOND TO HIS Requirements when He has graciously granted me correction and repentance from my errors. We are saved while still Sinners BUT are not to remain that way !

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2 hours ago, maryjayne said:

I am reading this thread as a salvation issue. If we love Jesus and obey Him, we are saved. In order to love Jesus we need to keep the 10 commandments. Therefore not keeping the 10 commandments means we dont love Him and obey Him, so we are not saved.

Perhaps more clarification and explanation of why love and obedience together, not just one of them, is a salvation essential  would be helpful please?

I have bolded certain words to help explain what precisely is confusing me here. No rudeness or insult is intended. I am no sure of the etiquette of bolding.

I think I understand your problem , which also seems to affect us all. Obedience is important and required for salvation but not at the initial ENTRANCE stage when we are ignorant of how God works. HIS IS THE FIRST MOVE in SAVING US and is a FREE GIFT !!! at that point in time He does not base salvation on our obedience , because we are saved WHILE STILL SINNERS ROM 5, - BUT as we learn HIS WAYS we are expected to change and obey Him.....to GROW in His Grace and knowledge 1Pt 3v18,  Heb 5v9. We are NOT to remain Sinners !!! We must become DOERS of HIS WORD and not remain hearers only Jas 1v22, which will stunt our growth.

So, being deliberately, stubbornly and continuously DISobedient in whatever God wants can not help our salvation.  We must be open to CORRECTION !

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40 minutes ago, Betha said:

Exactly, the NT observances are BASED ON LOVE....not on commandments.....and we show our love after HE first loved us ! This is the love of God that we keep his commandments, which now are better described as PRINCIPLES and the inclusive Sabbath from the very FOUNDATION of creation.....absolutely essential to keep in place as GOD commanded. Breaking (not keeping His law) is SIN and will keep us from the Kgd. 1 Joh 3v4.  

1) what day of the week do you keep sabbath?

2) in what way do you keep it that makes it different from the other days of the week?

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1 minute ago, Betha said:

Obedience is important and required for salvation but not at the initial ENTRANCE stage when we are ignorant of how God works.

OK. Trying to understand what this entails.

Where is the scripture to show me what amount of obedience is required for salvation? and

When and how do we know we are no longer covered by just belief? and

what has this got to do with calling Him Jesus or Yeshua?

 

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2 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

OK. Trying to understand what this entails.

Where is the scripture to show me what amount of obedience is required for salvation? and

When and how do we know we are no longer covered by just belief? and

what has this got to do with calling Him Jesus or Yeshua?

 

There is only 1 weekly holy Sabbath day which in our calendar is saturday.

I am not aware of a 'prescribed amount of obedience, we just give to God what we are motivated/moved to give Him in response to His Word. It's a slow 'growing-process during our lifetime.....just as fast as the NEW MAN develops in us. We all react different.

We need BELIEF as a Beginning, but must eventually grow into DOERS of God's Word.

giving our Lord His rightful name and title will help us to identify Him from among the many FALSE Preachers and Pretenders. 

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5 hours ago, maryjayne said:

When and how do we know we are no longer covered by just belief?

You might say that Belief is Faith in action. There is NOTHING we can do to earn or keep Salvation. Period.

When you are saved you are no longer your 'own person' because you belong to The Lord. No human can change that. You cannot even change that because it requires and ACT OF GOD to save you and an ACT OF GOD to un-save you. He is NOT going to do that since He promised to keep us. Furthermore, the one thing that scripture says pleases God is faith. So keep your faith strong in your belief of His Saving Grace.

Saul in Hebrews tells of the persecuted Israelis that were being enticed back into the old Judaistic methods of sacrifice in the temple. He says if you turn your back on God and do this, there is no further sacrifice that can be made for you since you have crucified the Lord anew and brought shame on His Sacrifice.

This idea is bandied around in religious circles and used to hammer believers. Quite inappropriate.

Belief is not something to disdain or want to lessen in any way. Your belief pleases the Lord and because He now owns you, you can rest assured in His Grace and leading and succor. He will lead you as far as He knows you can go, so jut TRUST and believe - two very similar things.

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