dad2 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 182 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Yes. It is my opinion that God is always truthful. He told Adam that he would die the day he ate from the tree. And yet Adam lived on physically for many years thereafter. If I am right about God being truthful then the death that came into the world by Adam's disobedience, was not a physical death. No way to dodge that. The death Adam experienced later included the physical death. The life we have now later will include a new body. Don't try to make your willfully limited perspective as God's word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,041 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 968 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 Yes. It is my opinion that God is always truthful. He told Adam that he would die the day he ate from the tree. And yet Adam lived on physically for many years thereafter. If I am right about God being truthful then the death that came into the world by Adam's disobedience, was not a physical death. No way to dodge that. 44 minutes ago, dad2 said: The death Adam experienced later included the physical death. But God said it would happen the day he ate from the tree. If you accept that God is truthful, then that death cannot be a physical death. Don't try to make your willfully limited perspective as God's word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 182 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, charisenexcelsis said: Theistic evolution has a range of meanings. Most of the references here are to a belief that both original creation and the multiplication of species occurred by guided natural means. The other end of the spectrum believes that evolution is simply the description of the continued creation of God after the original seven days. Believing that evolution occurred after things were already created is fine. Believing that is how life got here is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 182 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Yes. It is my opinion that God is always truthful. Quote So do you believe that woman was created one day from a bone take from a man by God? Or is that not truth? Quote He told Adam that he would die the day he ate from the tree. The bible also says this Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Quote And yet Adam lived on physically for many years thereafter. If I am right about God being truthful then the death that came into the world by Adam's disobedience, was not a physical death. Yes and it also took 930 years to physically die. Quote No way to dodge that. I don't dodge, I just look at more than one phrase or verse! Our death involved both physical and spiritual. First the spiritual, then the physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,478 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 182 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said: I would agree that it is very difficult to harmonize a belief in natural origin with scripture. Yes. we could not have a man existing before a woman with evolution as the source of mankind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,041 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 968 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 12 hours ago, dad2 said: Yes and it also took 930 years to physically die. Rather than the one day God said, not 930 years. This is how we know that death was not a physical death. If it was, Adam would have died physically that day. No way to dodge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,041 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 968 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 hours ago, charisenexcelsis said: I would agree that it is very difficult to harmonize a belief in natural origin with scripture. Only if you re-interpret Genesis to be a literal history. If you accept it as it is, you accept that our bodies were created naturally, and our souls were given directly by God. Then there's no conflict at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,041 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 968 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said: It is not just Genesis. The NT affirms man's separate creation. It affirms that our souls are separately created. Our bodies are produced naturally, as the bodies of other animals are. It's only by re-interpreting scripture can one hold that our bodies were specially created. God used natural means for our bodies, as He does for other animals. 29 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said: As for science, until we can observe life coming to be out of non-living chemicals under natural condition, this theory remains just that. God says the earth brought forth living things, so that's good enough for me. It should be good enough for you. Science is beginning to find evidence for God's statement. The evidence for live coming from the chemicals of the earth is getting stronger. But the Bible should be good enough for your faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said: The NT affirms man's separate creation. The NT affirms the existence of Adam, not anything about how he was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, charisenexcelsis said: but my comment was that it supported the "separate creation", not the manner What NT passages would you say affirm a "separate creation"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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