douge Posted August 24, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2019 This is the gospel by which we are saved. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15 We are all sinners who can not save ourselves. See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6 Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute, He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice. See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26 He was buried. He rose again for our justification ( to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life. See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30 All we have to do is believe the gospel. See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13 Believing is being persuaded that something is true. See Romans 4:21 The moment you believe you have eternal life. Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7 Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 24, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2019 Well, the Gospel of Salvation is the Gospel of Christ. That said, while you mention many good references to that Gospel from the writings of Paul, I noticed the lack of references to the actual words of the Lord in your list. Is there any significance to this or is it simply your intent to present Paul's take on the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted August 24, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, douge said: This is the gospel by which we are saved. 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15 We are all sinners who can not save ourselves. See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6 Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute, He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice. See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26 He was buried. He rose again for our justification ( to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life. See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30 All we have to do is believe the gospel. See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13 Believing is being persuaded that something is true. See Romans 4:21 The moment you believe you have eternal life. Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7 Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection. ...and don’t add to the Gospel by “ dead works”......those would be additions that you think are necessary to help you become saved or help you to “ stay” saved.....no matter how good they seem.....like going to church, tithing, Keeping the Commandments, or the Granddaddy Of them all these days- repenting of all known , and especially Willful sins.....all of these things are great in their place.....a Christian will find themselves doing most of these things ,but if you are doing them to add to the Gospel because you are afraid to put your complete trust in it ALONE or if you think something must be done continuously to KEEP you saved- they are dead works, you are adding to the Gospel, and despite what you have heard— THIS is how you “ fall from Grace” and “sever yourself from the Cross Of Christ”.Serious stuff.Some say it is a Salvation issue, others say it is not.Lets hope it isn’t—from what I have seen , much of the Church World stands guilty.It’s Jesus plus NOTHING.....just like the song says......NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD for Salvation 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post saved34 Posted August 24, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, unworthyservant said: Well, the Gospel of Salvation is the Gospel of Christ. That said, while you mention many good references to that Gospel from the writings of Paul, I noticed the lack of references to the actual words of the Lord in your list. Is there any significance to this or is it simply your intent to present Paul's take on the subject? @unworthyservant I love your posts and have made you one of my spiritual mentors(without your knowledge ) but what do you mean “Paul’s take”? Paul’s take is Christ’s take. He got his teaching on salvation directly from our Lord. The Epistles are actually the further revelation of what our Lord taught in the Gospels. Gal 1:11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. Gal 1:12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. Joh 16:12 "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. Joh 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. Joh 16:14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 24, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, saved34 said: what do you mean “Paul’s take”? Paul’s take is Christ’s take. BTW, thanks. And to answer your question, I agree that in a way Paul's take is Christ's take, but it's really in the end Paul's take on Christ's teachings. I guess I should maybe say Paul's commentary on Christ's teaching instead of using the word "take". I was just curious if you were meaning the conversation to be about the entire subject or limited to Paul's references to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted August 24, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted August 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, unworthyservant said: BTW, thanks. And to answer your question, I agree that in a way Paul's take is Christ's take, but it's really in the end Paul's take on Christ's teachings. I guess I should maybe say Paul's commentary on Christ's teaching instead of using the word "take". I was just curious if you were meaning the conversation to be about the entire subject or limited to Paul's references to it. Paul’s reference is the full revelation from the Lord himself. All the Apostles acknowledged that he had this revelation from God. That is very important to understand since he was the official Apostle to the Gentiles. His words are the very words of God. 2Pe 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 1Th 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. What Paul taught about the Gospel is the full revelation of the Gospel. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douge Posted August 25, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 21 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: ...and don’t add to the Gospel by “ dead works”......those would be additions that you think are necessary to help you become saved or help you to “ stay” saved.....no matter how good they seem.....like going to church, tithing, Keeping the Commandments, or the Granddaddy Of them all these days- repenting of all known , and especially Willful sins.....all of these things are great in their place.....a Christian will find themselves doing most of these things ,but if you are doing them to add to the Gospel because you are afraid to put your complete trust in it ALONE or if you think something must be done continuously to KEEP you saved- they are dead works, you are adding to the Gospel, and despite what you have heard— THIS is how you “ fall from Grace” and “sever yourself from the Cross Of Christ”.Serious stuff.Some say it is a Salvation issue, others say it is not.Lets hope it isn’t—from what I have seen , much of the Church World stands guilty.It’s Jesus plus NOTHING.....just like the song says......NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD for Salvation Hello Our salvation unto eternal life has been completely accomplished by the redemption of Christ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douge Posted August 25, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 354 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 964 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 181 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, unworthyservant said: Well, the Gospel of Salvation is the Gospel of Christ. That said, while you mention many good references to that Gospel from the writings of Paul, I noticed the lack of references to the actual words of the Lord in your list. Is there any significance to this or is it simply your intent to present Paul's take on the subject? Hello The gospel in Paul are the words of the Lord Jesus, they were revealed to Paul by Christ. In the four gospels Christ was sent unto the house of Israel preaching the gospel of the kingdom. They had to believe only he was Messiah, the Son of God and keep the commandments to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth. The gospel of the kingdom is not preached today but will be in the tribulation (Matthew 24:14). Edited August 25, 2019 by douge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 25, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 25, 2019 Sorry, I can't take the leap from Paul being inspired by the spirit to stating that 2 minutes ago, douge said: The gospel in Paul are the words of the Lord Jesus Maybe it's more about semantics for some but I shy away from claiming anyone's words are the words of Christ unless Christ said them Himself, that way there's no confusion. I do believe that there have been many who were filled with the Holy Spirit and indeed were inspired of God but I'd never go so far as to attribute anything they say to Christ. After all, though He had a higher calling, Paul, like you and me was only human. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted August 25, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,652 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted August 25, 2019 As said, the words of Christ were directed toward the Jews who were still under the Old Testament law. His finished work on the cross and His resurrection ushered in the new covenant under which we live today. While the personalities of the apostles affected their style of writing, Paul's writings are 100% inspired of the Holy Spirit except for the place in 1 Corinthians concerning marriage where he states it is his opinion, not the Lord. To believe otherwise is contrary to our statement of faith that you agreed to. We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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