justthefacts Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 48 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2019 Hi, It is not my intention to undermine anyone's intellect with anything I may state here in this thread, but I do wish to address what I believe to be a complete failure in proper reasoning and understanding of many things written in scripture as being litterial when they are indeed figurative. Throughtout scripture, the Holy Spirit uses the things of this world which are literal things that we have to look upon as help in our reasonings of that which is of a spiritual nature. Since we have no knowledge or reasoning of the spiritual world and are in need of being taught, the Holy Spirit has used the things of this world that we can relate too as symbols, metaphours, edoms and like such to help us with properly reasoning a thing out. A diciple [student of Godfs word] needs to be aware of this and look for these things when studding the scriptures. Example: The locust army mentioned in Revelations. This is not a litterial army. but is addrerssed that way for Gods chiuldren to reason out that a force will be let loose upon the earth that will consume everything as a literal locust consumes everything in its path. Since the locust is figurative in the end time and not a literal creature, then that which it consumes is not a literal thing, so we must reason out that the substance which we need to survive and be healthy that is taken away by this locust army is spirtual and not literial. So what is this substance that Gods children need to survive and be healthy? Gods word, which is living food for all of Gods children and able to save them. The locust army "Spirit" will consume "cause the teaching of Gods truths to cease" by muddleing the waters so as to prevent the truth from being recognized. This is the famine of the end time as stated in the prophets: Amo 8:11 So be aware of these things and seek understanding from the Lord who gives freely unto those who seek Him. Hope this helps someone. God Bless JTF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 28, 2019 figurative and not literal 21 minutes ago, justthefacts said: Example: The locust army mentioned in Revelations. This is not a litterial army. Since the locust is figurative in the end time and not a literal creature, then that which it consumes is not a literal thing, so we must reason out that the substance which we need to survive and be healthy that is taken away by this locust army is spirtual and not literial. Gods word, which is living food for all of Gods children and able to save them. The locust army "Spirit" will consume "cause the teaching of Gods truths to cease" by muddleing the waters so as to prevent the truth from being recognized. So be aware of these things and seek understanding from the Lord who gives freely unto those who seek Him. Hope this helps someone. Perhaps a study in dispensations would help you to understand things more fully as they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dennis1209 Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,448 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,363 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2019 49 minutes ago, justthefacts said: Hi, It is not my intention to undermine anyone's intellect with anything I may state here in this thread, but I do wish to address what I believe to be a complete failure in proper reasoning and understanding of many things written in scripture as being litterial when they are indeed figurative. Throughtout scripture, the Holy Spirit uses the things of this world which are literal things that we have to look upon as help in our reasonings of that which is of a spiritual nature. Since we have no knowledge or reasoning of the spiritual world and are in need of being taught, the Holy Spirit has used the things of this world that we can relate too as symbols, metaphours, edoms and like such to help us with properly reasoning a thing out. A diciple [student of Godfs word] needs to be aware of this and look for these things when studding the scriptures. Example: The locust army mentioned in Revelations. This is not a litterial army. but is addrerssed that way for Gods chiuldren to reason out that a force will be let loose upon the earth that will consume everything as a literal locust consumes everything in its path. Since the locust is figurative in the end time and not a literal creature, then that which it consumes is not a literal thing, so we must reason out that the substance which we need to survive and be healthy that is taken away by this locust army is spirtual and not literial. So what is this substance that Gods children need to survive and be healthy? Gods word, which is living food for all of Gods children and able to save them. The locust army "Spirit" will consume "cause the teaching of Gods truths to cease" by muddleing the waters so as to prevent the truth from being recognized. This is the famine of the end time as stated in the prophets: Amo 8:11 So be aware of these things and seek understanding from the Lord who gives freely unto those who seek Him. Hope this helps someone. God Bless JTF Hello justthefacts! I'm not criticizing your hermeneutics, as we all interpret differently, especially the books of Daniel and Revelation. One of the things I keep in the back of my mind when studying the Bible is... When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense. Therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning. Unless the facts of the immediate context, studies in the light of related passages and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise. Based on this methodology, a principle emerges in the interpreting of Bible prophecy. When the plain sense makes good sense, seek no other sense least you end up with nonsense. Agreed, they had no words for; nuclear weapons (fervent heat), computers, RFID chips, tanks, assault helicopters, missiles, artificial intelligence, robotics, fighter jets, NBC weapons, etc. Thus, symbolism that all generations would be able to relate to through the centuries. Descriptions that are symbolic almost always start off with "such as, as a, like, unto, etc. You see those symbolic analogies of the locusts clearly in Revelation Chapter 9, pertaining to their appearance. These are literal demonic locusts from the pit of Hell and have a "King" over them. In the natural world, locusts have no king or leader over them. Proverbs 30:27 (KJV) The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands; Yet these locusts have a king and he is named: Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. These are literal demonic beings released upon the earth in my opinion only. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: These are literal demonic beings released upon the earth in my opinion only. Not just your opinion, Dennis. Theologians into dispensational teaching know this well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeshua153 Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 83 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Dennis1209 said: These are literal demonic beings released upon the earth in my opinion only. FYI, there are no such things as demons, they are daimons- to distribute fortunes, which is self. The jews believed in demons being ancestors, who would pass down to them traits like alcoholism etc. Yeshua cast out self, as it can send you crazy, like schizophrenia, which is why the pigs threw themselves off the cliff, they couldn't stand all that self! By the way, other areas & cultures also have their so called demonic beings that are myth, like genies for the arabs, faeries for the celts, & guardian angels for the romans. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Yeshua153 said: FYI, there are no such things as demons, they are daimons- to distribute fortunes, which is self. The jews believed in demons being ancestors, who would pass down to them traits like alcoholism etc. Yeshua cast out self, as it can send you crazy, like schizophrenia, which is why the pigs threw themselves off the cliff, they couldn't stand all that self! By the way, other areas & cultures also have their so called demonic beings that are myth, like genies for the arabs, faeries for the celts, & guardian angels for the romans. You have never encountered one. It was not a myth or a "self" that some of us have encountered. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unworthyservant Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 96 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 645 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 298 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/11/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, justthefacts said: A diciple [student of Godfs word] needs to be aware of this and look for these things when studding the scriptures. Example: The locust army mentioned in Revelations. I agree that a "student of God's word" needs to be aware that some things in the Bible are literal and some are metaphorical or as you say figurative. (Even in the teachings of Christ) I just want to add that I believe that if a person studies the LITERAL teachings of Christ first and does them, then there's not so much to digest in the beginning. In Matthew 7:24 Christ says “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock". (Literal teaching) Only then can one ever begin to understand the more nuanced studies or commentaries or even the metaphorical references themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, ayin jade said: You have never encountered one. It was not a myth or a "self" that some of us have encountered. Just remind him . JESUS did not transfer a thousand self to the swine . Demons are real they are indeed fallen angels . Hands up sister . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted August 28, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,448 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,363 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sonshine☀️ said: Yes. The locust army is a metaphor or symbolic of Satan’s army that appears when Satan is released from the bottomless pit. The locusts are not bugs at all; they are men—Satan’s army, full of deception and lies. Let’s not be deceived by the antichrist when he appears, folks. He comes at the 6th trump. Who comes at the 7th? Our Messiah! Shine on! If these are men... They're going to be some awful ugly men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justthefacts Posted August 29, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 48 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Thanks for all the replies and all are welcome unto their opinions pertaining to the teachings of the Holy Scriptures. It was only my intent to help enlighten some who may have not been instructed pertaining to the literal and figurative reasonings of scripture so that they may properly divide the word of truth as instructed by the Holy Spirit. As concerning the book of Revelations, unless the literal and figurative reasonings are properly divided, the understandings as they are being taught today in our assemblies are just fictional. That which is literal pertains to the earth or this natural existence and that which is figurative pertains to the heavenly or spiritual existence and there are scripture that pertains to both the literal and figurative at the same time. Not everyone is a self made scholar of scripture, and there are still those who could use a little help. We are called to both Learn" and "Teach" at the same time. Have a good day and God Bless JTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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