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14 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Notice how JD Ignores the points I made about Hitler altogether, and saw my comment as an attack on himself. Notice How he ignores the Points I am in agreement with him on in the OP about domionism and its influence in Washington. He is incapable of admitting he is wrong because he has a whole book he has written on the subject. If he were to admit he is wrong in pointing to Trump this would make his whole book incorrect. This is the Problem with why many teachers can no longer be taught, as it takes a man to admit they are wrong. Here is what I wrote to which he responded the above to. 

 

Paragraph 1: Pointing out how his analogy is based on the wrong understanding that the media is foisting upon the Public of DJT, that he is a nationalist fascist, Aka Nazi, which he is not, But rather has a foreign policy that promotes national sovereignty, including his own nation. I Go on to show how Globalism manifest itself in our two party system. Point being that this sort of analogy used by JD is indicative of his reliance on the media to form his opinions on Trump, which is what they are, falsely formed and uninformed opinions.  

Paragraph 2 shows the two types or theories of globalist conquest, one is by military force, the other by incrementally usurping national sovereignty away from nations via Diplomacy and global governance, Such as the U.N. These are just facts.

Paragraph 3 Because of DJT's belief in national sovereignty he is distinct from the nationalism of Hitler, and JD's opinions are based on this false narrative that he is a fascist.... in other Words, JD got caught with his hands in the cookie jar, the cookie jar being the liberal attempt to paint trump as a fascist. Unfortunately he will never admit his error because he has too much at stake if he does. And Here in lies a dilemma for you the reader.... You must be informed and not believe every theory you hear out there. Many People said BHO was the Antichrist now he is a nobody, with a title as ex president and gets cheers at basketball games.... Hardly worshipping the beast if you know what I mean.

None of this was a false accusation, But an accurate assessment of JD's Grand error in Judging Trump, which in turn allows him to promote a hit piece like this miniseries, which is intended to sway political support amongst Christians. All Lies have enough truth in them to make them believable. I have tried to weed through the truths to expose the lies, and where they are sourced from. JD needs to wake up to his inability to see the deception the propaganda of the media has placed in him, and it is with this desire that I am exposing his fallacies.

Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. (Proverbs 9:8-9) 

Don't like the Germany comparison? Okay. What if you became truly convinced that our next president is corrupt, but it just so happens that he is a nationalist? Are you required to support him to avoid being called a globalist? Yes or no? Because I do not support Trump because I believe he is the Antichrist, how does it follow that that proves I am a globalist? It does not.

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Regarding DHChristian's smokescreen on Hitler's socialism, let me clear a one thing, I have never accused Trump of being a globalist. Never once. I don't have to. That's because the Antichrist is NOT a globalist. I re-post what I said to DHChristian in my "Profile of a Man" post:

The disciples asked Jesus about the end of the age. The first words out of Jesus mouth, "The nations shall be united beneath the fulfilled dream of the global elites." (Oh wait a minute, that's from the global conspiracy-hunter websites. My bad.) Here's the verse, "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.." (Matthew 24:7)

Of the Antichrist: "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.(Isaiah 14:16-18)

For all of you that believe the AC will be the product of some globalist conspiracy dating all the back to the building of Solomon's Temple, let me assure you of something. -- The source of this garbage is not Scripture, it's the occult.

The AC will be a global dictator, not a globalist. (Yeah, there's a difference.) And yes, he will enter into a national league of some sort, as all nations do in war time. But he will simply laugh at the globalists. He will uproot their plans and take the whole pot to himself. Armageddon starts with nations battling EACH OTHER. (Rev. 16:12; 19:18-19; Joel 3:2; Daniel 11:21-45; Zech. 14:2). In fact, nationalism will continue right into the Millennial reign of Christ. "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles." (Zech. 14:16) "And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD..." (Micah 4:2)

Are there "global" movements at the time of the end. Yes. But these will be usurped by one man -- the Antichrist. Yes, he will have 10 (7) kings in league with him as well as the Whore of Babylon. But this is not a democratic globalist-driven agenda where national sovereignty is eradicated due to some kind of ancient secret cabal. Rather, it is driven by direct super-natural satanic power that is delivered into the lap of the Antichrist. With such power, he will invade nation after nation for its wealth, Egypt, Israel, etc. His Mark will make him invincible: "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Rev. 13:4)

As far as the charge of me being some kind of "global shill," I assure you -- I am a nationalist, through and through. I am not, however, an isolationist. (Neither is Trump.) In the small world in which we live, making a nation have no relationship with their neighbors is like me trying to instruct my  fish in my aquarium to swim in one area of the tank. Not gonna happen. The world has become an aquarium and the fish have teeth.

I do acknowledge that a New World Order - an ancient plan of a few elites to rule over the masses - exists. Absolutely true. My point is that nowhere does Scripture say that AC is a product of such plans. Who knows? Maybe Satan has attempted to insert pro-globalist men such as Obama to head up this AC role. That's possible. But that decision rests solely with the Lord, not Satan or the elites. The Lord does as He pleases. He is not handcuffed to any such satanic Utopian delusion. Satan and the Antichrist are ultimately His servants. They cannot step outside of HIS will. This ends as the Lord decrees, no one else. I repeat, we need to take our cues from the Word of the the Lord -- the Bible.

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As you all can plainly see, I am not globalist. I have said this time and time again and DHChristian continues to perpetuate this false narrative.

For those of you that believe Trump has no global aspirations, he just canceled a meeting with the leader of Denmark because he refused to sell him Greenland. Hello?.....Is this mic on?

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2 hours ago, dhchristian said:

None of this was a false accusation, But an accurate assessment of JD's Grand error in Judging Trump, which in turn allows him to promote a hit piece like this miniseries, which is intended to sway political support amongst Christians. All Lies have enough truth in them to make them believable. I have tried to weed through the truths to expose the lies, and where they are sourced from. JD needs to wake up to his inability to see the deception the propaganda of the media has placed in him, and it is with this desire that I am exposing his fallacies.

 

May I just note: The Family documentary was released just days BEFORE Trump announced that he was "The Chosen One." DrChristian claims to "weed through the information." In fact, he does not. He has neither watched the documentary nor read my book. If he had, he would know why Trump's words are so significant. The minute Trump made that statement, I said to my wife, "Those words are coming from Trump's spiritual advisers." That was before I watched this film. Indeed, they were.

Also -- The documentary is based on the writer's book -- released in 2009 - six years BEFORE Trump announced his run for office.

Also --  I wrote my book in the summer of 2016  amidst the Republican Primaries - a time when Donald Trump was the favored candidate by the liberal press to run against Hillary because polls suggested that he was the ONLY candidate Hillary stood a chance to beat!!! 

DrChristian's "you're just being swayed by a globalist elite media" theory falls flat on its face. 

And I am the shill? You all will soon know how false that is.

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5 hours ago, dhchristian said:


 

 

For some reason, my response posted 3x. I am not sure how to delete responses. 

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The name is DH, or David if you like JD, I am no DR.

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Regarding DrChristian's smokescreen on Hitler's socialism, let me clear a one thing, I have never accused Trump of being a globalist. Never once. I don't have to. That's because the Antichrist is NOT a globalist. I re-post what I said to DrChristian in my "Profile of a Man" post:

The disciples asked Jesus about the end of the age. The first words out of Jesus mouth, "The nations shall be united beneath the fulfilled dream of the global elites." (Oh wait a minute, that's from the global conspiracy-hunter websites. My bad.) Here's the verse, "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.." (Matthew 24:7)

Of the Antichrist: "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.(Isaiah 14:16-18)

For all of you that believe the AC will be the product of some globalist conspiracy dating all the back to the building of Solomon's Temple, let me assure you of something. -- The source of this garbage is not Scripture, it's the occult.

 

The Antichrist is called a Beast (Rev. 13), We Know from scripture what beasts are they Empires that control large Swaths of Land surrounding and including Israel. For example, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome were all Beasts as per the prophecies of Daniel 7... A nation such as Moab was never called a Beast, but a nation. This is scripture interpreting scripture.

Matthew 24:7 was not the first thing Jesus warned about in Matthew 24.....And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (Matt. 24:4-6)

Deception is the first thing he warned about and boy do we have a lot of that around... Notice the source of the deception... Not Satan, But Men...

He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.( Isa 14:6)

Context is everything, Isa 14:16 is speaking of Lucifer, He is compared to the King of Babylon who ruled fiercely, over the NATIONS. Ripping a verse such as Isa. 14;16-18 out of context to prove a point is akin to deception...

This then illustrates the difference between a Kingdom and a Beast. A beast is a Kingdom Ruled by a Despotic leader, Set upon conquering other nations, either by flattery or military might.... Those same four beasts in Daniel 7, are also called Kingdoms in Daniel 2... Meaning what Jesus is saying is that Kingdoms and nations will rise up against one another, with wars and rumors of Wars, But the Beast will rise and conquer using peace, just like the U.N. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (Daniel 8:25)

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

The AC will be a global dictator, not a globalist. (Yeah, there's a difference.) And yes, he will enter into a national league of some sort, as all nations do in war time. But he will simply laugh at the globalists. He will uproot their plans and take the whole pot to himself. Armageddon starts with nations battling EACH OTHER. (Rev. 16:12; 19:18-19; Joel 3:2; Daniel 11:21-45; Zech. 14:2). In fact, nationalism will continue right into the Millennial reign of Christ. "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles." (Zech. 14:16) "And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD..." (Micah 4:2)

Let's find the verse that says the antichrist shall "laugh at the globalists", shall we? Funny, I have not seen that one in scripture, have you? i Personally see no difference between a global dictator and a globalist I mean Both have a goal of controlling many nations... They may rise to power differently, which is a valid point, as the Antichrist will not rise to his global power by military means but rather by flattery...

Now JD is confusing the events of Matthew 24:7, which occur before the final week, and Armageddon which occurs at the end of the final week... Think of it this way, treaty is signed by many nations, Israel then breaks that covenant and now what is a dictator have left to do but call those nations to war against the covenant breakers. There is of course so much more to this as well, in that the beast is destroyed, the man of sin is killed, when Jesus comes for the Bride... But that is up for debate as there are many diverse theories on end time timelines, But this is the simple explanation. Again, JD is just playing a name game here to make his point.

4 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Are there "global" movements at the time of the end. Yes. But these will be usurped by one man -- the Antichrist. Yes, he will have 10 (7) kings in league with him as well as the Whore of Babylon. But this is not a democratic globalist-driven agenda where national sovereignty is eradicated due to some kind of ancient secret cabal. Rather, it is driven by direct super-natural satanic power that is delivered into the lap of the Antichrist. With such power, he will invade nation after nation for its wealth, Egypt, Israel, etc. His Mark will make him invincible: "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" (Rev. 13:4)

 you obviously do not understand the finer points of globalism. The Global governance is an external body that controls the nations, for example the EU is a type of globalist beast. The British voted themselves out of the EU, democratically, but yet they are still entwined in the EU... Global governance give the illusion of national sovereignty without actually granting that sovereignty. The U.S. elected Trump in the same way the British voted for Brexit, yet the globalists are maligning, misrepresenting, and doing everything in their power to bring Trump down, including voting for impeachment, and having special counsel investigations of a "big fat nothing Burger". As you can see the global beast is already in Power, and is run by a small network of unseen oligarchs, and will eventually be run by the Antichrist. it is known in those "conspiracy circles" as the deep state, and whatever names they are calling it. The Deep state is a group of unelected leaders that influence the elected leaders and officials.

 

4 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

As far as the charge of me being some kind of "global shill," I assure you -- I am a nationalist, through and through. I am not, however, an isolationist. (Neither is Trump.) In the small world in which we live, making a nation have no relationship with their neighbors is like me trying to instruct my  fish in my aquarium to swim in one area of the tank. Not gonna happen. The world has become an aquarium and the fish have teeth.

A leader who believes in national sovereignty is neither a nationalist nor a globalist, and neither is he an isolationist, though he can be, and this is the default position of such a leader. What you stated here, whether you know it or not??? Is one of the justifications used by globalists to get you, and your country involved in the sovereignty of other nations such as the war for regime change in Iraq. Yes those leaders there deserved to be killed, for what they were doing, but that should have been done by their neighboring countries, and the People within that country not a nation half the world away. National sovereignty believes fundamentally in the sovereignty of nations to run themselves to the ground if they like... For example Venezuela. We have had no military intervention there, and they have done their own "good job" of making that nation into a trash heap. I feel bad for the people that live there, But it is their responsibility to fix it. We as a country can put pressure on them, and support those trying to do this, but we cannot just act like the bully and go in there and do it for them. This is why Iraq and Afghanistan have largely been failures or taken so long to reform, because they do not have the DIY attitude instead they are looking to appease their liberators. Remember, the War hawks in the republican party are just as globalistic if not more so than the liberal democratic socialists here.

 

5 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

I do acknowledge that a New World Order - an ancient plan of a few elites to rule over the masses - exists. Absolutely true. My point is that nowhere does Scripture say that AC is a product of such plans. Who knows? Maybe Satan has attempted to insert pro-globalist men such as Obama to head up this AC role. That's possible. But that decision rests solely with the Lord, not Satan or the elites. The Lord does as He pleases. He is not handcuffed to any such satanic Utopian delusion. Satan and the Antichrist are ultimately His servants. They cannot step outside of HIS will. This ends as the Lord decrees, no one else. I repeat, we need to take our cues from the Word of the the Lord -- the Bible.

Scripture, and prophetic scripture is clear that the Antichrist will rise to power, and his beastly kingdom will be worldwide. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Rev 13:16

All is by definition worldwide. The Ac is definitely a product of these plans, and he will rise to power not by military might, but by flatteries and peace. The Worldwide body for this is already in place known as the U.N. I Agree that God's hand is what allows the timing and revelation of the antichrist to occur, So i will "amen that point, but in so doing is not the subsequent speculation on Trump being the "ONE" Going against God's sovereignty and revealing?

5 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

As you all can plainly see, I am not globalist. I have said this time and time again and DrChristian continues to perpetuate this false narrative.

For those of you that believe Trump has no global aspirations, he just canceled a meeting with the leader of Denmark because he refused to sell him Greenland. Hello?.....Is this mic on?

LOL, Greenland... Big ambitions there to conquer Oye vey? 50000 people and a lot of ice... This is just DJT's "Art of the Deal" at work. he is trying to dissuade Denmark from allowing china to build airports there and extend their influence into the arctic.

As the reader can see, there is a lot off on how JD perceives the world politically and prophetically, he is now twisting scriptures to make His theory fit what we have discussed here, arguing for definitional obscurity, and Saying the Ac does not rule on a global scale, which is an outright untruth... All means all, plain and simple.

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

May I just note: The Family documentary was released just days BEFORE Trump announced that he was "The Chosen One." DrChristian claims to "weed through the information." In fact, he does not. He has neither watched the documentary nor read my book. If he had, he would know why Trump's words are so significant. The minute Trump made that statement, I said to my wife, "Those words are coming from Trump's spiritual advisers." That was before I watched this film. Indeed, they were.

Also -- The documentary is based on the writer's book -- released in 2009 - six years BEFORE Trump announced his run for office.

Also --  I wrote my book in the summer of 2016  amidst the Republican Primaries - a time when Donald Trump was the favored candidate by the liberal press to run against Hillary because polls suggested that he was the ONLY candidate Hillary stood a chance to beat!!! 

DrChristian's "you're just being swayed by a globalist elite media" theory falls flat on its face. 

And I am the shill? You all will soon know how false that is.

Perhaps you are right about his spiritual advisors giving this to him, which he then stated to the press in a mocking way, even some of the press there giggled when he said that, they got the sarcasm as did I. But obviously you did not?

Oh And actually the summer of 2016 is when the never trump movement was in full swing...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Trump_movement

Did you ever ask why all the people celebrated when the two witnesses were finally killed? And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Rev. 11:10

well, they prophesied against what and whom nearly everyone thought was a great leader. DJT has no such following or praise here, or worldwide. He is hated and maligned by you and countless others, all with an agenda.

Forgive me if I missed one of your comments as I am tired. Do not use this against me like you did before. I Know I am not going to change your mind, seeing as you have so much invested in your opinions the only reason I am doing this is to bring light to the real motives. As Jesus Warned in the Olivet discourse "take heed that no man deceive you" I am just taking this message to heart and obeying Jesus words. One day you will thank me for this, if not you, then others will?

God bless.  

     

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2 hours ago, dhchristian said:

 

Deception is the first thing he warned about and boy do we have a lot of that around... Notice the source of the deception... Not Satan, But Men...

He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.( Isa 14:6)

Context is everything, Isa 14:16 is speaking of Lucifer, He is compared to the King of Babylon who ruled fiercely, over the NATIONS. Ripping a verse such as Isa. 14;16-18 out of context to prove a point is akin to deception...

 

     

"akin to deception..."

Here is just one classic example of DH going so far as to call me a deceiver. (How the moderators allow this continual character attack on another brother is puzzling.) I will now uncover his hypocrisy.

In my post, "Profile of a Man", Mr DH was attempting to prove that the AC must be Jewish. In his final pitch, he copy and pasted an entire section from a book. This particular section he pasted supposedly showed that the AC must be Jewish. Ironically, the author he swiped is a theologian I greatly respect -  Arthur Pink - and I told him so at the time. But I disagree with Pink on this particular issue. (I quote him in my book on numerous occasions.) His book, The Antichrist, remains one of the gold standards on this topic. Here is the page where Mr. DH quoted him at length. It's posted August 8th and starts with yellow highlighted words. (Let it be stated that I responded to ALL Pinks points and showed why the passages actually support a Gentile AC, not Jewish.)

Back to this thread, I had previously quoted Isaiah 14 as a reference to the Antichrist. Mr DH's reply above references Jesus in the Mt. Olivet discourse where He cautions of coming "deceivers." Then Mr DH says: "Context is everything, Isa 14:16 is speaking of Lucifer, He is compared to the King of Babylon who ruled fiercely, over the NATIONS. Ripping a verse such as Isa. 14;16-18 out of context to prove a point is akin to deception..." (Bold not in original)

So, Mr DH believes that this verse only refers to Lucifer and it is akin to deception to suggest that this passage refers to the Antichrist. Okay, remember the great theologian Mr DH likes to quote? You know, the one who wrote the definitive book on the Antichrist, Arthur Pink? Shall we take a little peek at what Pink has to say regarding this King of Babylon? 

In his book, The Antichrist, there is a chapter called "Names and Titles of the Antichrist." In this chapter, Arthur Pink lists 25 titles for the Antichrist. #14 in the list is "King of Babylon." What is the first verse Pink quotes? "Thou shalt take up this proverb against the King of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!" (Isa. 14:4). #15 in Pink's titles for the AC is "Son of the Morning". The scriptural context for this title? Isaiah chapter 14. Here's a link to Pink's chapter online. 
https://www.biblebelievers.com/Pink/antichrist06.htm

So...if I'm a deceiver (an apt title for one whose handling of God's Word is "akin to deception.") then I guess Arthur Pink is also a deceiver, seeing how that in this regard, we see eye to eye. This is problematic for Mr. DH because now it appears that he is posting material of authors whose interpretations are "akin to deception."

DHChristian, you said the "D" in DH stands for David? Did I recall that correctly or was it a 3-syllable something or other?
 

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2 hours ago, dhchristian said:

 

LOL, Greenland... Big ambitions there to conquer Oye vey? 50000 people and a lot of ice...

     

Yeah...LOL...Greenland HAHA, that's hilarious. Who in their right mind would see the tactical advantage of owning an island of ice?!? Right? It's not like the world is going to catch on fire or anything.

Oh... wait a second.

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13 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

I am not being dismissive. I said I agreed with your sentiments and still do. Yes, it will be difficult to forgo food and water. I was not speaking to the difficulty factor or even to the fact the Bible commands us not to take the mark. Nor was I referring to brothers who have a different idea on how things play out. All that's well and good. But you said we must "prepare." I simply asked, "How?" Assuming one is a Christian and knows not to take the Mark, beyond that, how does one prepare?

I hear post-tribs make the argument that pre-tribs will take the Mark because they won't be "prepared" for the tribulation. When I ask the question to post-tribs how they are "preparing" for a world set on fire, I don't get a clear response. As I see it, there is only one preparation we can do and that is to live spirit-filled lives in the Word of God and fellowship, something both pre and post-tribs do already. Beyond that, nothing can prepare you for the coming dark day -- nothing. Revelation says, "Blessed are those who die in the Lord." That is not a day one will want to live in. To die will be gain.

Encouragement.

Exhortation.

That will impart knowledge and vision of what's coming, the rewards and consequences. Forewarned is forearmed. 

 

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13 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Just curious, is there anyone out there that actually wants to discuss The Family documentary -- you know, the topic I posted on?

(what a novel idea...)

I binged watched it several weeks ago. Fascinating to see it all come to light.  Not a new thing certainly. 

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