GOD'S LAST WORD TO THE WORLD

[Alive]

On 9/8/2019 at 12:54 PM, dhchristian said:

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. (Acts 1:6-8)

These are Jesus' last words before ascending to heaven. What can we infer from this. The Apostles knew that the restoration of those days was not the prophesied one with Idumeans as kings and the priestly class having murdered the Messiah. Jesus response did not deny that future restoration, but said it was not for them to know when which is to say, not in their lifetime. Then He shows them the arrival of the Holy Ghost At Pentecost and how the gospel is to be preached to the Jew first, and then to the world. 

Then the two angels that were beside them said to the Apostles:

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:11)

Has Jesus come again like this scripture states yet?

Jesus also said the following to Israel.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. (Matthew 23:37-39)

This is not speaking of the triumphal entry into Jerusalem, which occurred before these words were spoken, but is yet to come.

The Book of revelation, which is written after 70 Ad also speaks of the restoration of Israel, with 144000 who are separated of the nation of Israel. They Are clearly called JEWS, not Christians, of the 12 tribes of Israel. Not to mention the two witnesses who are killed in Jerusalem. 

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (Rev 7:4)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. (Rev 14:1)

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Rev. 11:8)

So were you just not familiar with these verses? or do you have some explanation for them? Remember, God does not lie, he made all those promises in the Old testament to Israel, and to David, which are yet to be fulfilled, and are confirmed by Jesus own words in Acts 1, and Jesus is the Word of God. 

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Romans 11:25)

 

8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zech. 12:8-10) 

Who is speaking these words? God, He is the "me" in verse 10... When does this happen? In a day when the LORD defends the inhabitants of Jerusalem... was this 70 Ad? NOOOOOO WAY. This is yet to come.

 

 

Well done, brother!

I simply don't understand why there is this sense of enmity yet existing between Jews and Gentiles.

In the body of Christ, there is no difference spiritually. We are one.

But there are clear distinctions all through the record regarding 'the Land' and what it represents on earth and how important the fulfillment of prophesy is to God regarding the 'house of David', etc.

Edited September 18, 2019 by Alive

[Alive]

On 9/8/2019 at 2:38 PM, Justin Adams said:

I am not sure about much that is 'common' eschatology. It is also NOT proven that Revelation was written after AD 68. There are some texts that erroneously misquote or mistakenly quote the Roman Emperor's reign as reported by some Church fathers.

There are many questions that modern theory, THEORY, may well be wrong about. Prophesy is rarely understood until after the events unfold. Too much is preached as fact, when it is only supposition. 

Some things seem most definite as future, and some might be 'types' of things already happened as a foretaste of things to come. It is hard to be rock-solid sure.

However, I am sure that Yeshua/Jesus will come again - the Second Coming. I am sure there will be a huge fight on earth as well as in heaven. Apart from that, I just watch world events as they unfold and do NOT teach stuff this is mere conjecture.

I agree. We simply don't know. It can be interesting to speculate, but it can also be a great distraction to some.

Its enough to trust the Lord and watch and listen. I spent many years with this stuff as world events unfolded and men swore--yes, this is it!

His coming is nigh.

:-)

I wonder if I should share a dream that speaks to these things. A very clear and quite exact message that still was faithful to what the Lord said when He was asked.

 

[Justin Adams]

22 minutes ago, Alive said:

 

I wonder if I should share a dream that speaks to these things. A very clear and quite exact message that still was faithful to what the Lord said when He was asked.

By all means. It may speak to someone, you just never know.

[Gentle-Warrior]

7 hours ago, Adstar said:

Of course it was taught in the early church.. What happened was the evil catholic religion suppressed it because they wanted the world to believe that their coming to power in the roman empire was the fulfillment of the 1000 year reign of the saints..  But their false religion has revealed itself to be not of God and not true to the Gospel of our LORD Jesus Christ..

The belief in the millennium was indeed believed in the pre-catholic early church, but it was not called millennialism it was called Chiliasm..

Chiliasm in History

""" Justin Martyr is the first Christian author to write on the Apocalypse. In his "Dialogue with Trypho" chapter 80, he claims that all "right-minded Christians" believe that "there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declars." He goes on to write in chapter 81: "And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Chirst would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place.""""

By the early church, I meant the first century writers that gave us the NT. Find it in the NT where it says that God who already reigns in the spirit over all His creation (God is a spirit, Jn 4:24 and Jesus is God) has a need to reign physically on earth? Isn't He omnipresent and limitless in power?

Doesn't Jesus reign over all things from heaven? (Eph. 1:20-23), so please explain why a holy God  who cannot live among flesh (for He will destroy the earth instantly) will come to reign over a sinful land?

We have a clear picture in the scriptures of what would happen to people if God came down to earth:

Exodus 19:20–22 (NASB95)

²⁰ The Lord came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain; and the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.

²¹ Then the Lord spoke to Moses, “Go down, warn the people, so that they do not break through to the Lord to gaze, and many of them perish.

²²“Also let the priests who come near to the Lord consecrate themselves, or else the Lord will break out against them.”

Exodus 20:18–19 (NASB95)

^{18 "}All the people perceived the thunder and the lightning flashes and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood at a distance.

¹⁹ Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

So, can we play with the holiness of God and assume what's not in the scriptures? 

1 Kings 8:27 (NASB95)

²⁷ “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built!"

 

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior

[Alive]

This dream has never been shared with the Church wholesale, but was shared within the context of a ‘home church’ body of believers at the time of the dream and then as will become obvious, several years later.

The dream was one of those that is as clear as a bell and obvious to the dreamer that it was the Lord. I do hope and pray, it will be edifying. Please understand that the Lord was careful to adhere to His admonition regarding the time is known only to the Father—and He ain’t tellin.

The dream came in two parts and was given back in the late 80’s. I can’t recall for sure, but it doesn’t matter.

First part:

I saw an airliner about to crash into the tower at the precise angle. The airliner was similar to what we had then, but it was obvious in the dream that it was larger and more modern. That was the impression given in the dream. There were flames and smoke and a clear sense of the chaos that was to follow. Again—this was the clear sense communicated in the dream. The visual was amazingly precise.

Part two:

The second part was like turning a page as though a second chapter.

Many of us believers were gathered in a large room/building that was ‘well lit’. Again this was the strong impression given. A large room that was well lit.

While we were all in this building I found caves beneath the building and came back up stairs and said, “there are caves beneath here where we can flee and be safe. Another brother said, “we should stay here, there are more yet to come”.

As you can imagine, when 9/11 occurred there was much discussion.

Conclusions were.

A time of chaos would follow the event.

Believers would be before the Lord and that there would be a tension between fleeing and waiting and trusting.

This was a very powerful dream that the Lord sent. I can't emphasize enough--the clarity.

 

I have mentioned before, but I am convinced that the Lord gives dreams, visions, and specific direction for edification and faith building to either individuals or communities of believers—or both.

 

He loves us and is gracious.

[Gentle-Warrior]

12 hours ago, dhchristian said:

Like it or not, that is what you are teaching is replacement theology. The following are the three possible options, Replacement theology, Covenant theology or dispensationalism.

Answer: Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel. Among the different views of the relationship between the church and Israel are the church has replaced Israel (replacement theology), the church is an expansion of Israel (covenant theology), or the church is completely different and distinct from Israel (dispensationalism/premillennialism).

https://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html 

Nope. You forgot "Exegesis" and "Inductive Bible Study" according to the what the word of God teaches, not what man has decided what the word of God says. Replacement Theology teaches that the church has replaced Israel. I have learned that Israel emerged out of Judaism in order to become part of the kingdom of God on earth until the second coming. The gospel is the entrance to the kingdom of God while we are made into a new creation (2Cor. 5:17).

The church was Jewish from the get-go and for the first 10 years, the body of Christ was only Jewish. After that, they learned that the redemption that Jesus had provided at the cross was far bigger than they had ever imagined. 

Israel as a nation rejected God's salvation through Jesus Christ and were finally judged in AD 70, never to rise its ugly head again. God's new Israel is a people of faith IN CHRIST. He who does not have the Spirit of Christ, does not belong to Him (Ro. 8:9).

I just gave you a small synopsis of the pure word of God unstained by the additional teachings of men. 

God saves us by grace not by race. 

[dhchristian]

44 minutes ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

Nope. You forgot "Exegesis" and "Inductive Bible Study"

 

46 minutes ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

Israel as a nation rejected God's salvation through Jesus Christ and were finally judged in AD 70, never to rise its ugly head again. God's new Israel is a people of faith IN CHRIST. He who does not have the Spirit of Christ, does not belong to Him (Ro. 8:9).

This is replacement theology in a nutshell. This is EXACTLY what they believe. all you are doing is putting lipstick on a pig. 

[Gentle-Warrior]

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

 

This is replacement theology in a nutshell. This is EXACTLY what they believe. all you are doing is putting lipstick on a pig. 

Nope. No one is replacing anyone. Judaism was left behind for a new creation in Christ. Nothing to do with your narrow minded understanding where you feel the need to place believers in a box. The church emerged from Israel who was nothing but a crumbling nation that was set against God's eternal purposes. The remnant came out of Israel to form the new covenant people of God. 

If you look at the old covenant believers and join them to the new covenant congregation in Christ, you wind up having one people of faith. 

God is one. 

Ephesians 4:4–6 (NASB95)

^{4 "}There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

⁵ one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

⁶ one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all."

God is ONE and the ONE God has always had ONE PEOPLE OF FAITH.

Like it or not. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior

[dhchristian]

Just now, Gentle-Warrior said:

Nope. No one is replacing anyone. Judaism was left behind for a new creation in Christ. Nothing to do with your narrow minded understanding. The church emerged from Israel who was nothing but a crumbling nation that was set against God's eternal purposes. The remnant came out of Israel to form the the new covenant people of God. 

But yet Israel is a nation yet again Born in one day by the Vote of the U.N., who would have thunk… Just as the prophets of Old foretold us.

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her: (Isa 66:8-10)

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amos 9:14-15)

You gots some big holes in your "exegesis and inductive bible study"... It is neither exegetical nor very studious on your part. Sounds to me more like you are doing eisegesis as opposed to exegesis, And the fact that you have eliminated a third of prophecy out there as having relevance shows that your studies are incomplete. As I said, Lipstick on a pig...

So is Amos 9:14-15 speaking of the church then? Or Israel the nation? 

[Gentle-Warrior]

1 hour ago, dhchristian said:

But yet Israel is a nation yet again Born in one day by the Vote of the U.N., who would have thunk… Just as the prophets of Old foretold us.

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her: (Isa 66:8-10)

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amos 9:14-15)

You gots some big holes in your "exegesis and inductive bible study"... It is neither exegetical nor very studious on your part. Sounds to me more like you are doing eisegesis as opposed to exegesis, And the fact that you have eliminated a third of prophecy out there as having relevance shows that your studies are incomplete. As I said, Lipstick on a pig...

So is Amos 9:14-15 speaking of the church then? Or Israel the nation? 

The Israel of the OT was in covenant with God. Modern and secular Israel has zero connection with God and is set against God's eternal purposes through Christ just like the rest of the nations. After old Israel they killed their own Messiah, they went on to persecute Jews in Christ, God judged them, burned the city down and closed the door to the old covenant forever (1Thes. 2:14-16, Heb 8:8-10)

What we have today is a political nation that was born by the help of the UN, but has nothing to do with the eternal purposes of God because God's people always been those who have His Spirit, not those don't. However, the doors of salvation are still open to them as Jews come to the Lord be delivered from sin and death. Thirty thousands Jews live in Israel that are now part of His church. 

One eternal principle that God has established in His word is that without faith is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6). 

As for the prophets of old, they pointed to the new covenant where the temple would no longer have central stage in their lives. They looked forward for the complete removal of sin and for life eternal. The promise that God gave them was Jesus Messiah (Christ). He gave them a PERSON that would change their lives forever, not promises that would keep them in their sin. 

Luke 24:25-27, 44-45, Jn 5:39-40, are some of the scriptures that pointed to Jesus. Luke 2:32 tells us that Jesus was the glory of Israel while Paul said in Acts 28:20 that Jesus was the hope of Israel. However, if you take Jesus out of the picture, all you have left is a shell without the goods. 

Colossians 1:27 (NASB95)

"To whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."