Exalting Vileness

[JohnD]

5 hours ago, maryjayne said:

There are natural sins, where the normal use of our body is involved.

And there's are unnatural sins, such as a mother killing her child, or the use of our bodied in a way that is against their physical use, such as homosexual acts. 

All are sins, but some are abominations against nature too. Which is why some Christians feel revulsion at certain sins, rather than a sense of recognition of the general fallen humanity of the sinner.

In the same way as a liar does not tend to give the visceral response that a paedophile does.

ALL sex sin is worse:

1 Corinthians 6:18–20 (AV)
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

To specify one is worse than the other is overstepping.

And you will note that the passage is directed at believers.

I doubt the Lord intended us to carry signs "God hates f-gs"

And I doubt many homosexuals would be won over to Christ in that

way.

 

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Turning over a new leaf is serious error if one thinks that is the way to be saved.

I agree that turning away / over a new leaf when it involves going from unbelief to belief is what was intended. 

Even belief does not save us. Jesus does. The condition for that salvation being granted to us is belief.

And our belief is not even of ourselves it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8-10).

[Blood Bought 1953]

2 hours ago, simplejeff said:

If someone is a drug addict,  or in porn,   or a greedy person,  or gay or an adulterer or catholic or other idolator,

and they turn over a new leaf,

they are then therefore, by definition,  saved from that specific wickedness.

How is that a serious error ?    They end up better (free ) ,  and then perhaps the other unbelief in their life can be addressed without the previous addictive sin.

 

There is nothing inherently wrong with “ Turning over a new Leaf” as long as a person realizes that “ outside of the Cup” changing, generally using will-power and self control is not something God is interested in as far as one’s Salvation is concerned.God wants to indwell a person and change them from the inside out- that “ inside of the cup” thing.

We don’t “TURN” a new leaf......we turn “TO” God with faith in Jesus.That will get God’s Spirit in you and God will take it from there ....IF you trust HIM- not behavior change and self- improvement —- as good as it is.

[unworthyservant]

20 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Well, yes, it was written in Hebrew, so the Hebrew word for "abomination" was used. I'd be careful if I were you. The Lord wasn't joking when he said homosexuality was an abomination (or whatever the Hebrew word for it was).

I'm not joking either. I'm simply pointing out all the other things that the exact same Hebrew word was used to describe. So, for instance, along with homosexuality, lying and stealing were also described as an "abomination". So, it's not to minimize the sin of homosexuality but to point out that there are many more sins that were also an "abomination", lest we lose sight of that fact while concentrating on only one or two of those sins. For the record, there are several other words that were translated as "abomination", but the examples that I gave are all the same word you quote from Leviticus.

[unworthyservant]

21 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Turning over a new leaf is serious error if one thinks that is the way to be saved.

I didn't mean to suggest that turning over a new leaf was a way to be saved. That was nothing more than another way of describing repentance as a turning away from. As I stated, I prefer the broader translation, complete change of heart.

[JohnD]

5 hours ago, maryjayne said:

I repeat. 

 

I said some sins are also abominations, I didn't say anything about God decreeing greater or lesser sins, only how we may feel personally about certain sins.

And God doesn't hate anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation. He hates the practice of sin.

ETA: for some reason my quote for my previous post is attributed to John d. Sorry about that, I can't work out how to change it on my phone.

Get a computer!

LOL

100 years ago they yelled at people in the newfangled automobiles  "Get a horse!"

:)

 

[Exegesis]

On 9/8/2019 at 10:23 AM, johnthebaptist said:

Psalms 12:8 instructs us that the sons of men will exalt vileness. When I think of vileness, I think of homosexuality and abortion on demand. What about you?

Anything that is sin is vileness.  You cannot narrow it down to two things.  If you only speak out against 2 sins and fail to speak out against others, that, in and of itself is vileness.

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Exegesis said:

Anything that is sin is vileness.  You cannot narrow it down to two things.  If you only speak out against 2 sins and fail to speak out against others, that, in and of itself is vileness.

I would call homosexuality vile. Would you call coveting your neighbor's hedge shears vile?

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Exegesis said:

Anything that is sin is vileness.  You cannot narrow it down to two things.  If you only speak out against 2 sins and fail to speak out against others, that, in and of itself is vileness.

 

1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said:

I would call homosexuality vile. Would you call coveting your neighbor's hedge shears vile?

Or are we missing the point? Is it about EXALTING homosexuality and EXALTING abortion on demand and EXALTING coveting your neighbor's hedge shears?

[johnthebaptist]

2 hours ago, Exegesis said:

Anything that is sin is vileness.  You cannot narrow it down to two things.  If you only speak out against 2 sins and fail to speak out against others, that, in and of itself is vileness.

 

5 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I would call homosexuality vile. Would you call coveting your neighbor's hedge shears vile?

 

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

 

Or are we missing the point? Is it about EXALTING homosexuality and EXALTING abortion on demand and EXALTING coveting your neighbor's hedge shears?

But it's homosexuality and abortion on demand that are being exalted. If you say anything uncomplimentary about homosexuality, they say you are a homophobe or Christo-Nazi.