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45 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I think of the thief next to Jesus on the Cross being in paradise with Him on the same day... Did the criminal next to Jesus get baptized or an opportunity to demonstrate repentance and turn his life around? Faith, belief and trust in Jesus Christ alone.

 

We know that one believes on the Lord to be saved, but we need to hear the preaching of Jesus. And, in Preaching Jesus, water baptism is preached...

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
[27] And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
[29] Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
[30] And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
[31] And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.


Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
[36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
[38] And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
[39] And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

 

Everyone prior to Jesus' Death, Burial and bodily Resurrection, entered into the Kingdom through Old Testament dispensation, including the thief on the cross because although Jesus was close to death, he was not yet dead...

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

At the Birth of the Lord's New Testament Church in the book of Acts, that same question was asked to ALL the Apostles that were present that day. They were asked, point blank, what must we do to be saved...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children
, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 

The Lord has not stopped calling.

 

Thank you for your input, and touching upon this very important subject.

God bless!

 

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28 minutes ago, Footprint said:

 

We know that one believes on the Lord to be saved, but we need to hear the preaching of Jesus. And, in Preaching Jesus, water baptism is preached...

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
[27] And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
[29] Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
[30] And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
[31] And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.


Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
[36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?


Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
[38] And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
[39] And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

 

Everyone prior to Jesus' Death, Burial and bodily Resurrection, entered into the Kingdom through Old Testament dispensation, including the thief on the cross because although Jesus was close to death, he was not yet dead...

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

At the Birth of the Lord's New Testament Church in the book of Acts, that same question was asked to ALL the Apostles that were present that day. They were asked, point blank, what must we do to be saved...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children
, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 

The Lord has not stopped calling.

 

Thank you for your input, and touching upon this very important subject.

God bless!

 

I'm in no way implying water baptism by immersion is not important, it is. Water baptism does not save anyone, it's a public open statement of faith that acknowledges that you've been born again, your old self is dead and buried and you're a new man in Jesus Christ. To me scripture is clear with the order; believe, accept and ask the Lord Jesus into your life; join and become a member of the body of Christ [the church], then publicly confess your faith and belief in Jesus and request to be baptized as in John the Baptist's example of Jesus's baptism; in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 

That's my belief anyway.

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On 9/9/2019 at 2:49 AM, Footprint said:

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." The Greek word that was translated into English as "baptize" means to fully wet, immerse, submerge, plunge into, dip or bury.

I hope you are not teaching the heresy that water baptism saves, ...I come into contact everyday with poor souls that believe they are saved, born again, ...because they were sprinkled with water as a baby or they have been dunked in the ocean.

Notice the key word in the verse you quoted Jesus saying, ...Jesus used it twice:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.  Mark 16:16

Believing must come before baptism, ...if believing is left out then Jesus says those that are just baptized without believing first are damned, ...can't be any more clearer than that.

Yes the Roman Road can be used, ...however, the Holy Spirit can use any road He knows will bring the traveler to their correct destination, ...He told Abraham he was going to have a son, and it was imputed to him as righteousness, back in the Jesus People Movement, hippies stoned on LSD just cried out, "Jesus save me" and they were instantly straight and born again, I listen to a well know pastor who was stoned and drunk at the same time who spoke in a drunker stupor with a slurred voice, "I don't wanna go to Hell," just before he passed out and woke up the next morning born again.

We can't put God in a box, if we do then we limit Him to just what we believe He can do, ...Barnhouse said, ...if we put God in a box of are our own making, ...we are little godders, ...we need to be Big Godders and believe He can do anything, anyway, anytime He wants to.

Lord bless  

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On 10/1/2019 at 11:48 AM, JustPassingThru said:

I hope you are not teaching the heresy that water baptism saves, ...I come into contact everyday with poor souls that believe they are saved, born again, ...because they were sprinkled with water as a baby or they have been dunked in the ocean.

Nowhere in my OP, or my replies, have I said that water baptism in and of itself will save, please go back and actually read my post and my replies.

Water baptism by it self will not save, but it is PART of what saves, in OBEDIENCE to God's Word, and obeying the principles that He has placed in effect from the foundation of the world. For example; The Old Testament Tabernacle, being a shadow of things to come, we read Aaron's sons (the priests) had to wash at the laver "that they die not." (Exodus 30:17-21)

Now, in the New Testament, Jesus told the leper to go to the priest and give thanks unto God for their healing, so as they went they were healed as they obeyed His word!

In the Book of Acts, when asked, point blank, what shall we do to be saved, Peter and ALL the Apostles present with him that day replied...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Notice NONE of the Apostles with Peter ever said, "I see you all now believe, therefor go in peace you are all saved."

 

Peter and ALL the Apostles said to:

1. Repent
2. Water baptized in Jesus name
for the remission of sins

3. Receive the Holy Ghost.

 

And sooo, that to you is heresy?

 

On 10/1/2019 at 11:48 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Notice the key word in the verse you quoted Jesus saying, ...Jesus used it twice:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.  Mark 16:16

That is correct, one must first be a believer, nowhere have I said anything otherwise. It is interesting, however, that upon "believing", Jesus said, "and is baptized shall be saved;" Notice he did NOT say, he that believes "only" shall be saved.
 

Let's take a look at Mark 16:16 which is the Great Commission given, and compare it to Matthew 28:19 which is the Great Commission given, to see what is meant...
 

Mark 16:15 AndG2532 he saidG2036 unto them,G846 GoG4198 ye intoG1519 allG537 theG3588 world,G2889 and preachG2784 theG3588 gospelG2098 to everyG3956 creature.G2937

Mark 16:16 He that believethG4100 andG2532 is baptizedG907 shall be saved;G4982 butG1161 he that believeth notG569 shall be damned.G2632

 

Matthew 28:19 GoG4198 ye therefore,G3767 and teachG3100 allG3956 nations,G1484 baptizingG907 themG846 inG1519 theG3588 nameG3686 of theG3588 Father,G3962 andG2532 of theG3588 Son,G5207 andG2532 of theG3588 HolyG40 Ghost:G41


In BOTH scriptures, G907 is used...
 

βαπτίζω

baptizō

Thayer Definition:

1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)

2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe

3) to overwhelm


Strong's Definition:

From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.

 

On 10/1/2019 at 11:48 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Believing must come before baptism, ...if believing is left out then Jesus says those that are just baptized without believing first are damned, ...can't be any more clearer than that.

Do try and keep up, and please actually read my OP and my replies.

 

On 10/1/2019 at 11:48 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Yes the Roman Road can be used, ...however, the Holy Spirit can use any road He knows will bring the traveler to their correct destination, ...He told Abraham he was going to have a son, and it was imputed to him as righteousness, back in the Jesus People Movement, hippies stoned on LSD just cried out, "Jesus save me" and they were instantly straight and born again, I listen to a well know pastor who was stoned and drunk at the same time who spoke in a drunker stupor with a slurred voice, "I don't wanna go to Hell," just before he passed out and woke up the next morning born again.

I don't doubt many have had an experience with God. But let's not confuse "an experience" with being "Born Again". There is only One Road according to God's word and Plan, which leads to Salvation, and that has been laid out in the OP. The problem is the devil has offered a buffet table for all, leading to destruction.

 

On 10/1/2019 at 11:48 AM, JustPassingThru said:

We can't put God in a box, if we do then we limit Him to just what we believe He can do, ...Barnhouse said, ...if we put God in a box of are our own making, ...we are little godders, ...we need to be Big Godders and believe He can do anything, anyway, anytime He wants to.

Nowhere in my OP have I put God in a box and, neither will God go against His own principles. He has a very specific plan of salvation, so specific that he admonished Moses to make the tabernacle exactly as he seen it in the mount, because the Old Testament tabernacle was a shadow of what was to come in His New Testament Plan of Salvation. Upon entering the gates of the tabernacle, one comes to the alter of sacrifice (a shadow of repentance). Next, we come to the laver (here comes the WATER - a shadow of baptism). Then, on to the Holy Spirit. And this is what we see in the New Testament...

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

 

The Lord has NOT stopped calling.
God bless!

 

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@FootprintBarnhouse also said, ...along with putting God in a box, ...the Word of God can be seen, understood as an inverted cone, resting on it's point, ...perfectly balanced since Eternity past through this tiny blip of time of God's physical creation and into Eternity future, ...it has remained perfectly balanced from eons past and will so remain through the eons future.

Then man comes along with his intellect and says, "The Word of God says/means this,"  and he uses his finite, worldly wisdom to interpret the Infinite which produces a contradiction in God's Word, which causes the cone to become unbalanced and fall over, ...case in point, ...God Himself, hanging on the Cross told the thief crucified next to Him he would be saved, WITHOUT... being baptized!

All that you have proposed contradicts what God Himself did, ...how do you explain that, ...Jesus didn't follow your theology, ...is He wrong?

This is just another spin on the, "We have to add to our Salvation nonsense," that has permeated this forum!

Our Salvation, ...God thought it out in Eternity past, He planned how it would be accomplished in Eternity past, He accomplished it in Eternity past (the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world) and for the last six millennium He has implemented His Salvation Plan, ...please take notice, in the first four millennium, He didn't tell Adam, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Elisha, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, ...I think you get the point, ...they needed to be baptized for Salvation, ...in fact, search the OT, the word baptize, baptized, bapteme is not found even once, if your theory is so important, ...are these men whom God used to write His Word not saved?

Here is a challenge for you, search the 21 epistles to the Church explaining/giving us Church Doctrine and try and find where baptism is required for salvation, ...it's not there...

Barnhouse's conclusion to his illustration of the cone is, ...if we place just one, of our own private interpretation of God's Word to cause a contradiction to what He has proclaimed on top of the cone, which causes it to fall over, ...then our interpretation of the Word is wrong, ...not God's. 

Yes, Baptism is taught in the Gospels and Acts and it is important in/to the life of the New Believer, ...but it is Not a requirement or a part of God's Plan of Salvation, period!

May I humbly ask you a question, ...were you baptized, ...and if so where, ...did you follow the Biblical model?

Lord bless

 

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On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

@FootprintBarnhouse also said, ...along with putting God in a box, ...the Word of God can be seen, understood as an inverted cone, resting on it's point, ...perfectly balanced since Eternity past through this tiny blip of time of God's physical creation and into Eternity future, ...it has remained perfectly balanced from eons past and will so remain through the eons future.

Then man comes along with his intellect and says, "The Word of God says/means this,"  and he uses his finite, worldly wisdom to interpret the Infinite which produces a contradiction in God's Word, which causes the cone to become unbalanced and fall over,

What you just mentioned (putting God in a box, and trying to understand His Word with intellect, human reasoning and logic, INSTEAD of being governed by the preponderance of Scriptural evidence that is found written verbatim upon the pages of the Holy Bible on any subject of interest, study or discussion) is probably why there are literally Thousands of denominations, religious organizations and autonomous congregations, all of which claim to be “The Way”. Yet, they differ in so many different ways, even though many of them use the same Bible.


 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

...case in point, ...God Himself, hanging on the Cross told the thief crucified next to Him he would be saved, WITHOUT... being baptized!

First, The thief could NOT have come down off that cross, to go and do anything pertaining to the requirements of Levitical Law, either. Also, that thief died in the most unique period of human history. He died AFTER the veil in the Temple was rent in Twain from top to bottom (Jesus died before him), and he died BEFORE the New Testament Church was “Spiritually Born” AND Inaugurated about 50 Days Later.
 

Second, Jesus had the power and the authority to save, heal, deliver and pardon anyone He so chose. He once referred to a woman from Canaan as a dog. However, her faith caused Him to make an exception .. even though He told her that He had only come for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

 

Matthew Chapter 15 (KJV)

[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

 

Third, and most importantly, the One in the middle (Jesus) is our example. NOT the thief on the cross. And Jesus traveled over 50 miles to be baptized by John the Baptist (who baptized unto repentance), to “fulfill all righteousness”, even though He had no sins to repent of.
 

Fourth, even with all of the above taken into consideration, it is VERY important to remember that He is a real stickler when it comes to OBEYING .. and following His very precise instructions, to the “T” (so to speak). And He COMMANDED His Foot Print Followers to...

1). GO
2). TEACH, and
3). BAPTIZE


 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

All that you have proposed contradicts what God Himself did, ...how do you explain that, ...Jesus didn't follow your theology, ...is He wrong?

Evidently, you erroneously assume that He didn’t COMMAND baptism, when He most definitely did. So He isn’t wrong at all. And neither are those who OBEY that COMMAND.
 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

This is just another spin on the, "We have to add to our Salvation nonsense," that has permeated this forum!

Just because someone does NOT understand, OR agree with, the Apostles Doctrine, does NOT mean that the Truth is “spin” (as you put it).


 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Our Salvation, ...God thought it out in Eternity past, He planned how it would be accomplished in Eternity past, He accomplished it in Eternity past (the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world) and for the last six millennium He has implemented His Salvation Plan,

Between Mount Sinai and Mount Calvary an ANNUAL atonement for sin had to be made. The animal slain, and the blood applied EACH AND EVERY YEAR. On this side of Calvary, the blood that Jesus shed has provided complete atonement, once and for all. So your understanding doesn’t take into consideration the fact that the annual procedure OUTSIDE the Tabernacle was performed EACH AND EVERY YEAR (repetition), the blood shed of the sacrificial Lamb, the brazen altar of (burnt) sacrifice, the brazen laver for washing. The INSIDE procedure was repetitive, as well, but we’re talking about types and shadows regarding water, and the part it played in both the Old and New Covenant matter of the atonement of sins.

 

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

 

Also, when we Repent (die out to sin, self and the world) we identify with Jesus’ Death. When we are baptized (by complete immersion, not by sprinkling a little dirt on a corpse) we identify with Jesus’ Burial. And when we receive the Holy Ghost “the Bible way”, we identify with Jesus’ Resurrection, as we walk in the newness of Life in Christ Jesus, led by the Spirit, NOT by the flesh.

 

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

...please take notice, in the first four millennium, He didn't tell Adam, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, David, Solomon, Elisha, Elisha, Isaiah, Jeremiah, ...I think you get the point, ...they needed to be baptized for Salvation,

People can pontificate all they want to, but the Biblical evidence very plainly reveals that, on this side of Calvary, it is not only going to take HEARING AND BELIEVING THE GOSPEL to be saved, it is also going to take Repentance (an about face, turning from sin, and to the Lord), water baptism in the precious name of Jesus (for the remission of sins), and receiving the Holy Ghost “the Bible way” to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

...in fact, search the OT, the word baptize, baptized, bapteme is not found even once, if your theory is so important, ...are these men whom God used to write His Word not saved?

You evidently do not have the same understanding of the types and shadows of that which was to come, and that which did come, which was fulfilled in Christ, AND was very firmly established by His Footprint Followers, those who very definitely had it right.

 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Here is a challenge for you, search the 21 epistles to the Church explaining/giving us Church Doctrine and try and find where baptism is required for salvation, ...it's not there...

The first four books of the New Testament (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) are called the Gospels, and contains the birth, life, ministry, death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ. The Fifth Book, the Book of Acts, is the History Book of the “Original” (First Century) New Testament Church. The Epistles (Letters) Romans through Jude were written to Churches and/or individual Christians, and contain admonitions and instructions for people who were already saved. They weren’t written to rank sinners. Lastly, the Book of Revelation is a Book of Prophecy, regarding things that were, are, and are to come (in the future), and contains figurative and metaphoric language, and things that are yet to be revealed, come to pass, and be understood.

So, in answer to your challenge, the Epistles were written to people who had already repented, been baptized and born again “the Bible way”. And there was no need in telling them what to do (about being baptized) when they had already done so.

 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Barnhouse's conclusion to his illustration of the cone is, ...if we place just one, of our own private interpretation of God's Word to cause a contradiction to what He has proclaimed on top of the cone, which causes it to fall over, ...then our interpretation of the Word is wrong, ...not God's.

God is perfect. Man is imperfect. And when the preponderance of Scriptural evidence that is found written verbatim upon the pages of the Holy Bible on any subject of interest, study or discussion doesn’t harmonize with what someone proclaims as Gospel Truth, they are either mistaken, misinformed or in error. Plain and simple.

 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

Yes, Baptism is taught in the Gospels and Acts and it is important in/to the life of the New Believer, ...but it is Not a requirement or a part of God's Plan of Salvation, period!

You can down-play, diminish and/or fight against this important Bible Doctrine that was COMMANDED by our Lord, if you wish. As for me, I’m going to stay with the Apostles Doctrine.

 

 

On 10/8/2019 at 10:13 AM, JustPassingThru said:

May I humbly ask you a question, ...were you baptized, ...and if so where, ...did you follow the Biblical model?

Yes ... and Yes.

God bless!

 

 

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Jesus is the only way to Heaven. There is no other way.

John 14:6

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

And when you are born again and Jesus is in your life, He gives you the Holy Spirit:

Ephesians 1:13-14

In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God]. 14 The Spirit is the [e]guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.

Praise the Lord. It's by His grace and mercy, and not by us.

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On 9/9/2019 at 8:49 AM, Footprint said:

The Roman Road Plan of Salvation is used by virtually ALL denominations today. Those who use the Roman Road Plan of Salvation will tell a lost person, who sincerely recites the words of one of the various versions of the "Sinner's Prayer", that they are ready to go to Heaven, right then and there, POOF, just like that!

The following is how most people are taught to use the Roman Road Plan of Salvation: They will tell a person it is very easy to be saved (which is a true statement). Then, they will walk them through the following steps:

Step 1. They'll tell the person to realize they are a sinner. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23), which is very true.

Step 2. Then, they'll tell them to realize that a price must be paid for their sin. "...and without shedding of blood is no remission." (Hebrews 9:22) "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Romans 5:12), still, all very true.

Step 3. Next, they'll tell them to realize that a price had to paid for their sin AND that the price has already been paid by Jesus Christ! "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23) "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8), again, all very true.

Step 4. Then, they'll tell the person to ask Jesus to come into their heart and save their soul, and to accept His sacrifice as the punishment for their sin. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Romans 10:9), here's where things "begin to go south" (so to speak).

Step 5. At this point, they'll ask the person if they would like to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior right then. If so, they will ask the person to repeat after them the words of one of the versions of the "The Sinner's Prayer". And, they are saved at that very moment! Right then and there. POOF! Just like that!

There are some essential things missing in the Roman Road Plan of Salvation.


Consider the following...

The Jerusalem Road Plan of Salvation was presented by Peter, under the inspiration of the Spirit of God, on the Day of Pentecost in Acts Chapter 2, following Jesus' death, burial, resurrection and ascension. Upon being specifically asked what sinners must do, here's what God inspired Peter to say, as recorded in Acts 2:38: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." A gift is not something earned. But, Peter didn’t stop there. In the very next verse (verse 39) he said, "For the promise is to you, your children, to those that are afar off, even as many as the Lord OUR GOD shall call". So, my question is, "Has God stopped calling?" ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Step 1. Repentance of sins

Jesus said in Luke 13:3 "... except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." And He COMMANDED in Luke 24:47 that REPENTANCE AND REMISSION OF SINS should be preached in HIS NAME among ALL nations, BEGINNING at Jerusalem.

Step 2. Water Baptism in the precious name of Jesus...

Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:1-8 that unless a person is "born again" of water AND of the Spirit, they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. And, He said in Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." The Greek word that was translated into English as "baptize" means to fully wet, immerse, submerge, plunge into, dip or bury.

Step 3. Receiving the Holy Spirit (the Bible way)

Jesus told Nicodemus this in John Chapter 3...

Verse 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Verse 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Verse 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


According to Jesus, Himself, although you cannot see the wind, or know where it came from or where it is going, there is a "sound" heard when it is present, likewise, there is a "sound" heard when everyone is born of the Spirit. So, my question is "What is the sound to which Jesus referred?"...

1) the 120 in the upper room in Acts 2:1-4, .... they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

2) the household of Cornelius in Acts 10:44-48, ... While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

3) the 12 disciples of John in Acts 19:1-6, ... And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


"Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2)

God bless!

 

You make a lot of good points.  I have used the Romans road, but I always include the need to repent.  That scripture you used shows that Peter said repentance is necessary, even if the word repent isn't found in the book of John.  

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9 hours ago, Footprint said:

INSTEAD of being governed by the preponderance of Scriptural evidence that is found written verbatim upon the pages of the Holy Bible on any subject of interest, study or discussion)

You left out THE most Important part:

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.  

But the Anointing (Holy Spirit) which ye have received of Him (Jesus) abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same Anointing (Holy spirit) teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as It (Holy Spirit) hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him (Jesus).  1 John 2:26-27

9 hours ago, Footprint said:

Yes ... and Yes.

Where?

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On 9/9/2019 at 7:49 AM, Footprint said:

The Roman Road Plan of Salvation is used by virtually ALL denominations today. Those who use the Roman Road Plan of Salvation will tell a lost person, who sincerely recites the words of one of the various versions of the "Sinner's Prayer", that they are ready to go to Heaven, right then and there, POOF, just like that!

In reality the Roman Road leads one to the first step in what you call the Jerusalem Road...    If the people should die like the thief on the cross did they would go to heaven....   but for those us unlucky enough to live on I think by nature will end the Roman Road directly into what you call the Jerusalem road....

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