lftc Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2019 Romans 8 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. How do you answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,029 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,770 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted September 19, 2019 Satan does every time we do something wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTC Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,795 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 1,502 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/25/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1952 Share Posted September 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, lftc said: How do you answer the question? Iftc, I'm not sure I know what you mean, but I agree with Other One that scripture teaches Satan tries to condemn us to God constantly. As you grow in your walk with the Lord, and when you start seeing what the scriptures clearly say you will realize that what we do while in these mortal bodies is very important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,803 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,774 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, lftc said: Romans 8 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. How do you answer the question? The question is rhetorical. Paul is explaining that once a person is saved there is no one [and he's talking about the devil] who can bring charges against the Christian that God will listen to. The devil is the great accuser of the brethren. The book of Revelation says that chapter 12. It would please the devil to no end for God to strip us of our security and salvation in Christ guaranteed by the Holy Spirit, but it can't be done no matter how persistent he is in bringing all our faults and flaws before God. Paul isn't talking about a person charging another one's false teaching and doctrines or error. This chapter is about eternal security and the life of the Christian in the spirit, not the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, maryjayne said: I am not seeing a question there, could you expand a little please? Either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, maryjayne said: Paul is not asking a question. Its a style of oratory which Paul uses a lot. There is no answer, its more of a way of raising a point which he then expands on and replies to himself. It is a rebuttal of the Periclean style of rhetoric where the sound of the words is more important than the content. Sorry, I thought a question mark indicated a question. I take it, then, that you do not have an answer since there was no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just now, maryjayne said: Ok, miscommunications ? I am asking what your question is, as the passage from Romans you quoted does not contain any questions, Paul is using rhetoric. I understand. I am observing that you cannot have an answer to my question as you do not perceive a question in the verses quoted. I understand your situation. I am not offended if you choose to not answer the question I posed as you do not see a question in the verses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 19, 2019 @maryjayne I am going offline now. I am just saying this so that you don't think I am ignoring you as happened in the last time we miscommunicated. You are very bright and civil. I would not ignore you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, lftc said: Romans 8 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. How do you answer the question? God is the only Judge that matters. He said he calls us righteous in Christ. So satan the accuser nor anyone else can bring a charge against us. Hallelujah! Rom 4:8 Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted September 19, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, maryjayne said: Ok, miscommunications ? I am asking what your question is, as the passage from Romans you quoted does not contain any questions, Paul is using rhetoric. I think he is more giving praise to the truth in the verse than really expecting an answer. God is really not asking a question in the great 8th chapter of Romans so much as making a triumphal announcement. “No one can Judge you, no one can condemn you, no one can separate you”. The addition of “who can” makes it even more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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