one.opinion Posted October 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, ARGOSY said: You prefer scientific evidence, well if I look at the unchanged high water line in the Harbour over my lifetime of 50 plus years, on a stable continental plate like Southern Africa, I prefer my evidence to your evidence. Sorry you lost that argument, hahaha. "I see your measured calculations and trump them with my precision eyeballs and hearsay! Sorry you lost! hahahahahahhaha" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 8, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 8, 2019 10 hours ago, ChessPlayer said: I'm sorry but this answer is simply unacceptable. I responded to your criticisms of the science around global warming, presented scientific papers and evidence and all you say is that we will see in ten years. Putting something off ten years will not change the science. Nor does it change our moral duty as stewards of creation and our fellow man. The only thing we do by delaying our reaction to climate change is limiting our ability to deal with the consequences. Well--I disagree. I think it IS the acceptable answer. I simply don't accept the validity of your sources. My source is my own ability to think. In ten years, we will see--if the Lord tarries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted October 8, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 7:41 PM, ChessPlayer said: Hello all. I discussed this briefly in the US politics section of the forum but I feel like it has more of a home here where we discuss the intersection of science and faith. I have become deeply concerned of late with Christian (mostly conservative) voices railing against the science of climate change. Things became especially toxic in recent weeks due to the most recent round of UN talks where Greta Thunberg spoke passionately on the subject demanding nations take action. As a result, I thought we may like to discuss climate change and the role Christians should play in trying to limit the impact upon our planet. For me, it is sad to see such an issue become so partisan in the United States when even the previous presidential candidates for the GOP noted the real threat posed by climate change. I also fail to grasp why people are opposed to plans like the Green New Deal or other radical changes in infrastructure and energy consumption in order to preserve the planet. I am even more distraught that many who self-identify as Christian are opposed to taking action to protect our environment. To me, this is part of our stewardship of creation. However, I am always curious and on the look out for differing views. This forum (by and large) tends to have more conservative leanings than the average member of the public and I was wondering why people are objecting to the scientific data. I am not scientist and this is not a topic that I pay much attention to. Frankly, there is lot of politics behind this. Just like anything else. I truly believe we need to be good stewards of planet earth. God gave authority over His creation to Adam and Eve. It was partially lost during fall. So mankind is no longer able to control destiny of this earth. It is already written that the earth as we know today will perish. Mankind is simply not able to stop that from happening. This is where I disagree with climate change people. We cannot stop earth from being destroyed. Earth will one day perish. And that is not just because of what we are doing now. God has ordained that to happen. While it is important to be good stewards, the destiny of earth is not in our hands. This is the fundamental difference between conservative Christians who deny climate change and liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted October 8, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, one.opinion said: "I see your measured calculations and trump them with my precision eyeballs and hearsay! Sorry you lost! hahahahahahhaha" One can actually see the high line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted October 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, ARGOSY said: One can actually see the high line Yes, your precision eyeballs that can effectively measure to millimeters, and making observations at a single location on the planet, conclusively disprove sea-level rise... got it... Edited October 8, 2019 by one.opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 8, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 8, 2019 There is a huge sub-surface ocean of water under the South Pacific that is leaking. It is fresh water and is changing the salinity, density and volume to a small degree. There is another one under the Arctic ice. The residual 'fountains of the deep'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,046 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 5:30 PM, Alive said: Let's talk in 10 years. That's what Hansen said thirty years ago, when deniers where telling him his model was all wrong. And while they were saying the Earth would be cooling off, Hansen's model accurately predicted the warming trend thirty years in advance. So there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,046 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2019 22 hours ago, Alive said: There is a huge sub-surface ocean of water under the South Pacific that is leaking. It is fresh water and is changing the salinity, density and volume to a small degree. There is another one under the Arctic ice. The residual 'fountains of the deep'. Show us that "huge sub-surface ocean of fresh water under the South Pacific." Checkable sources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 9, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Show us that "huge sub-surface ocean of fresh water under the South Pacific." Checkable sources. I just dreamed that up to make a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted October 9, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted October 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: That's what Hansen said thirty years ago, when deniers where telling him his model was all wrong. And while they were saying the Earth would be cooling off, Hansen's model accurately predicted the warming trend thirty years in advance. So there is that. The ten years is this ridiculous claim by some that we are done in by man- caused global warming. I think the models are as reliable as my claim about underground water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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