Tzephanyahu Posted August 7, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted August 7, 2020 Well, I for one appreciated the your post @Deadworm. Thank you for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadworm Posted August 7, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 300 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Who me said: All rendered unnecessary by Jesus's instruction to John to take care of Mary. If she was married it would be her husband's responcibility. If widowed again, it would be her children's responcibility, children from this other marriage. That Jesus was responsible shows she was not married and that she had not married again. By then Clopas had already died, like Cloopas, due to the short life expectancy at the time. So Mary the wife of Clopas (Jesus' mother!) really was a widow at the cross. When Jesus' brother-cousin James was killed, the leadership of the Jerusalem church was assumed by "Simon the son of Clopas," Jesus' brother and his cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted August 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 904 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,642 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 16, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 11:18 AM, Who me said: I cannot see the relevance of this to Christianity. As the late great Walter Martin pointed out, these documents can be used as historic evidence that Jesus actually existed when confronted with the once popular argument that "outside of the Bible you cannot prove Jesus really existed." There are a number of Gentile historians who can debunk this, but the ones being referred to here (the Toledot Yeshu and the Talmud) are specifically Jewish historic writings that affirm Jesus existed (albeit from a hostile / inaccurate account). For if Jesus did not actually exist they would not have written anything about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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