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Keep the Royal Law of Love.

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Gods Law

versus

Mans Law/traditions

God Is LAW,  is a mathematical equitation and is eternal=does not change.

There are fundamental Laws, equations that help us to live a wholesome, innocent, pure, holy, righteous life that lead towards Gods light

and then

there are fundamental laws, equations that lures and temps us to live an unrighteous life that leads AWAY from God and life toward towards darkness and death.

 1John ch1 v5: This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

There is a post right now up with the topic can a person be a christian while practicing making spells?

Most who responded quote the bible as to witchcraft being and abomination and that people who practice such cannot be a christian at the same time.

Because one practice leads to God and life and the other practice leads away from God and into death. see:1 Samuel 15:23

Following Gods equation=Law to a good life is not a bad thing. The book of proverbs and the gospels amongst other places in Gods Word tries to explain so many times over, how living a certain way is beneficial and leading to God and life, while the other is detrimental to God and leading to death.

Some have said in these Worthy posts that just having faith in Christ Jesus is all you need and that we don't even need to repent for our sins and we don't even nee the bible =God Word, to learn how God wants us to live.

John ch says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The bible=Gods WORD is a clear blue print to Gods plan and design for us. It is the inspired Word of God.

Why would we not want to learn from it? and follow its blueprint to wholesome living like God intended for us?

If we love God, Love Christ and acknowledge Gods Word and His plan of Mercy and Grace through Christ Jesus,written in Gods WORD, why then would we then say God who is LAW and from whom the Holy Spirit of God places His Law in our hearts once we come to believe in His Plan of Mercy and Grace through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus, why would we the say or even suggest that His LAW is not relevant to our salvation???

I am not talking about mans tradition laws, jewish observances,

I am talking about Gods Laws, precepts, commandments of who He is and who He wants us to become through His Holy Spirit living in us.

If Gods Law of who He IS becomes activated by our FAITH in HIM, than is goes naturally that we will desire, as we fellowship with Him daily, to do and follow HIS LAW to become more and more Christ Like as His Word says we born again Christians should be, ie. born of HIS  Holy Spirit and not of the flesh.

YES we are covered by the Blood of Christ when we fall short of His glory and repent and turn our ways back to following His ways, His WORD/LAWs that lead to life and back to Him. God is LAW, am unchangeable equation to life

If not, we are then promoting that God who is LAW is useless and that having faith has nothing to do with following His Word/Laws and that makes no sense.

Gods LAW is LIFE and LIFE  Eternal.

There is another law and that is the law that leads to death. these laws come from satan.

God WORD, HIS LAW says:

Matthew 6:24 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

So just as much a christian cannot continue being a sincere true Christian while practicing witchcraft, neither can someone practicing rebellion from God ( wich Gods WORDs says is the same as witchcraft)  and say they are faith filled christian as it would make zero sense.

1 Samuel 15:23

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the Word of the Lord, He hath also rejected thee from being king.

We need to stop confusing mans traditions with Gods law of commandments. There is a distinct difference.

 Gods Word states that His /Law/commandments  are placed into a TRUE christian believers heart . It is what transforms us into becoming HIS NEW creatures becoming more and more Christ Like by the re-newing of His Holy Spirit working in us,  transformation us through a living relationship with Him into His likeness. If God is LAW we are to also become like Him through His Holy Spirit working in us.   If we remain the same as when we where sinners and keep in our sins of rebellion /witchcraft, than we are deceiving ourselves

So for all those who are telling a lady in another post that her friend is not a christian if she at the same time is following witchcraft casting spells on people, and then these same folks who made that comment and then say in other post about Gods LAW , that Gods  Laws/Commandments are not longer applicable , and its ok to live in rebellion because our faith covers it all, are promoting a false gospel. They are no better than the lady calling herself christian and casting spell on people., as a matter of fact  they are themselves casting false gospel spells on people by saying all we need is faith, we don't eve need Gods WORD , the bible to learn from God WORD. LAWs= ways, all we need is just faith, and were headed to heaven.  If we have true faith in Christ it IS because we HAVE HIS LAWS written in our hearts transforming us into HIS likeness. Amen! Amen! Amen!

Gods blue print to life abundant and eternal begins here on earth, when we begin to follow Christ and His Word/Law/commandments, blueprint to life abundant and full of glory. Amen!.

Christ and His WORD =IS

God IS =LAW

Rebellion from HIM and His WORD/LAW is a bad a witchcraft  and has no part with GOD plan of Mercy and Grace.

Thank you Father God, thank You for your WORD/LAW thank you for your plan of salvation through Your only begotten Son Christ Jesus.

There is only on way to the Father and that is through His Son, His WORD, His LAW that remains forever and ever. Amen! Amen! Amen!

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

Matthew 5:17-20

Christ Jesus said:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

Gods truth is HIS WORD, His WORD IS His LAW

 

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 Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs
 
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient
 
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
 
the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
Let no man deceive you with vain words:
 
for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience
 
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
 
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ
 
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
 
whose end shall be according to their works.
 
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil:
 
and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
 
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters,
 
and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
 
 
Nehemiah 9:26 Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs, and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee, and they wrought great provocations.
 
1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
 
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
 
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
 
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
 
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
 
 
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12 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

If I murder and rape 1000 times a day, can I go to Heaven if I repent Before I die?

Jokes about rape and murder?

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11 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Gods Law

versus

Mans Law/traditions

God Is LAW,  is a mathematical equitation and is eternal=does not change.

There are fundamental Laws, equations that help us to live a wholesome, innocent, pure, holy, righteous life that lead towards Gods light and then

their are fundamental laws, equations that lures and temps us to live an unrighteous life that leads AWAY from God and life toward towards darkness and death.

 1John ch1 v5: This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

There is a post right now up with the topic can a person be a christian while practicing making spells?

Most who responded quote the bible as to witchcraft being and abomination and that people who practice such cannot be a christian at the same time.

Because one practice leads to God and life and the other practice leads away from God and into death. see:1 Samuel 15:23

Following Gods equation=Law to a good life is not a bad thing. The book of proverbs and the gospels amongst other places in Gods Word tries to explain so many times over, how living a certain way is beneficial and leading to God and life, while the other is detrimental to God and leading to death.

Some have said in these Worthy posts that just having faith in Christ Jesus is all you need and that we don't even need the bible to learn how God wants us to live.

John ch says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The bible=Gods WORD is a clear blue print to Gods plan and design for us. It is the inspired Word of God.

Why would we not want to learn from it? and follow its blueprint to wholesome living like God intended for us?

If we love God, Love Christ and acknowledge Gods Word and His pan of Mercy and Grace through Christ Jesus,written in gods WORD, why then would we then say God who is LAW and who the Holy Spirit of God places His Law in our hearts once we come to believe in His Pan of Mercy and Grace through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus, why would we the say or even suggest that His LAW is not relevant to our salvation???

I am not talking about mans tradiort laws, jewish observances,

I am talking about Gods Laws of who He is and who He wants us to become through His Holy Spirit living in us.

If Gods Law of who He IS becomes activated by our FAITH in HIM, than is goes naturally that we will desire, as we fellowship with Him daily, to do and follow HIS LAW to become more and more Christ Like as His Word says we born again Christians should be, ie. born of HIS  Holy Spirit and not of the flesh.

YES we are covered by the Blood of Christ when we fall short of His glory and repent and turn our ways back to following His ways, HisWORD/LAWs that lead to life and back to Him. God is LAW, am unchangeable equation to life

If not we are then promoting that God who is LAW is useless and that makes no sense.

God LAW is LIFe and LIFE  eternal.

The is another law and that is the law that leads to death. these laws come from satan.

God WORD, HIS LAW says:

Matthew 6:24 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

So just as much a christian cannot continue being a sincere true Christian while practicing witchcraft, neither can someone practicing rebellion from God ( with Gods WORDs says is the same as witchcraft) from Gods WORD and say they are faith filled christian as it would make zero sense.

1 Samuel 15:23

23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

We need to stop confusing mans traditions with Gods law of commandments. There is a distinct difference.

 Gods word sated that His /Law/commandments  is put into a TRUE christian believes heart . It is what transforms us into becomming NEW creatures becoming more and more Christ Like by the re-newing of His Holy spirit working in us,  transformation us through a living relationship with Him into His likeness. If God is LAW we are to also become like Him through His Holy Spirit working in us.   If we remain the same as when we where sinners and keep in our sins of rebellion /witchcraft, than we are deceiving ourselves

So for all those who are telling a lady in another post that her friend is not a christian if she at the same time is following witchcraft casting spells on people, and then these same folks who made that comment and then say in other post about Gods LAW , that Gods  Laws/Commandments are not longer applicable , and its ok to live in rebellion because our faith covers it all, are promoting a false gospel.They are no better than the lady calling herself christian and casting spell on people., as a matter of fact  they are themselves casting false gospel spells on people by saying all we need is faith, we don't eve need the bilbe to learn from God WORD. LAWs= ways, all we need is just faith and were headed to heaven.  If we have true faith in christ it IS because we HACe HIS LWAS written in our hearts transforming us yo HIS likeness. Amen! Amen! Amen!

Gods blue print to life abundant and eternal begins here on earth, when we begin to follow Christ and His Word/Law, blueprint to life abundant and full of glory. Amen!.

Christ and His WORD =IS

God IS =LAW

Rebellion from HIM is a bad a witchcraft  and has no part with GOD plan of Mercy and Grace.

Thank you Father God, thank tou for your WORD/LAW thank you for your plan of salvation through Your only begotten Son Christ Jesus.

Their is only on way to the Father and that is through His Son, His WORD, HIs LAW that remains forever and ever. Amen! Amen! Amen!

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

Gods truth is HIS WORD, His WORD IS His LAW

 

One of them is saying a Christian can commit rape and murder 1000 times a day without repenting and go to heaven.  Now the same person is making a joke about violence towards women and murder while another person laughs at it.  It is shameful and sad.  I don't know how anyone believes anything they teach.

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1 minute ago, Firm Foundation said:

Jokes about rape and murder?

 

Not a joke....it’s called “ turning the table”.......The Legalist are always  criticizing those like me that are Grace Believers , saying things like , “ Hey- If all of your sins are already forgiven , you could just go out and rape and kill and do whatever you want and get away  with it!” 

So now I am asking you— couldn’t you do the same thing? Go out and rape and kill and do whatever sins you desire,and if you repent before you die, everything is cool?

All I am trying to do is show the insanity of the question- regardless of which side poses it.

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9 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said:

One of them is saying a Christian can commit rape and murder 1000 times a day without repenting and go to heaven.  Now the same person is making a joke about violence towards women and murder while another person laughs at it.  It is shameful and sad.  I don't know how anyone believes anything they teach.

 

Nice evasion of the question.....no joke

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13 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Not a joke....it’s called “ turning the table”.......The Legalist are always  criticizing those like me that are Grace Believers , saying things like , “ Hey- If all of your sins are already forgiven , you could just go out and rape and kill and do whatever you want and get away  with it!” 

So now I am asking you— couldn’t you do the same thing? Go out and rape and kill and do whatever sins you desire,and if you repent before you die, everything is cool?

All I am trying to do is show the insanity of the question- regardless of which side poses it.

This shows such a lack of understanding of the message of the gospel, and insensitivity towards victims of violent crimes!  

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Just now, Firm Foundation said:

This shows such a lack of understanding of the message of the gospel, and insensitivity towards victims of violent crimes!  

 

Give me a break, will ya? Do you really think I am not offended by murder an rape? Do you think people here are too stupid to recognize an evasion of a question .Now, please answer it.

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Your non-answer speaks volumes.....

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