"As in the days of Noah ..." Matt. 24:37

[RonaldBruno]

On 10/21/2019 at 8:28 PM, JoeCanada said:

Hi Ronald,

You stated...."5. Christ did confirm a new convenant during His 3 1/2 year ministry and what was the outcome? He put an end to sacrifice. He was the final sacrifice.

Well, I do agree that Christ did confirm a new covenant. But the Angel Gabriel told Daniel that " And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week".......

The new covenant is an everlasting covenant. It is not just for one week. ( one seven )

But beyond that, the word translated "make" is the Hebrew "gabar". In the Greek, the equivalent word is "dynamoo". So both of these words carry a meaning of strengthening or empowering. Therefore, Jesus doesn't "make" a New Covenant with the many, but rather He strengthens a pre-existing covenant.

 

" Then after sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing".......

I'm sure that you are familiar with Dr. Thomas Ice, Director of the Pre-Trib Research Center. There are many things he says that I do not agree with, but he does interpret this phrase beautifully. He says ...." Gabriel is telling us that Jesus will not have achieved all of the purposes of the 70 Weeks Prophecy with His crucifixion"......

In the Greek Septuagint Old Testament, which was the Old Testament text of the early church, it has Dan 9:27 like this:

" And one week shall establish the covenant with many; and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the Temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation"......

We cannot and should not ignore the Septuagint version of Dan 9:27......

 

He Puts an End to Sacrifice and Offerings.....

Jesus's death on the cross did not end or eliminate these sacrifices in the Temple. Apostate Jews continued to make sacrifices for forty more years. The destruction of the Temple in 70 AD eliminated them. It is impossible to imagine any length of Shabuim (weeks of years) that would include Jesus's death and destruction of the Temple 40 years later, which would only be the midpoint of an enormous 80 year Shabua. 

 

 

 

 

Dan. 9:27 YLT uses the word YOU referred to Christ as doing, "strengthening" the Covenant. It also states the He did this "in" one week, not "for" one week. And in the midst if the week He put an end to sacrifice. Doesn't it seem to correspond to the time frame of His ministry which lasted 3 1/2 years, that this verse would also fit the description?

I am not familiar with Dr. T. ICE, who us clearly in error. CHRIST saud, "it is finished". In the heavenly, outside if our time domain, He died for all sins, past present and future, for people who were'nt even born yet ... for all time.

Continuing with that YLT, the wars says, "on the wing of abominations ...", He caused "desolations". Do a word study of "abominations" in the Bible. What would be considered a wing if abominations just prior to 70 AD? The widespread persecution of Christians by both the Romans and the Jews. God is sovereign, in control. He ordained the destruction of Jerusalem resulting in desolation of the Jews physically and spiritually. They remained to this day, desolate "until the consumation", which will happen during the Great Tribulation when He will pour out His SPIRIT on the desolate Jews. (Rom.11 confirms this).

His death did and sacrifices that were spiritually a called by God when He died on the cross.

Dan. 9:27 is history.

[simplejeff]

On 10/16/2019 at 11:31 AM, RonaldBruno said:

That wasn't my point. I said the Left (meaning the Democrats AND the Mainstream Media) are pushing for this One World Government which is a socialist regime, right in line with what the Bible says and apparently that struck a cord with you -- are you a Democrat? BTW, everything is not subject to Satan, He can mess with us but cannot snatch us out of the Father's hand, He cannot harm us spiritually but will certainly attack Israel and those who follow Christ. Physical death, torture, persecution because of our beliefs has been experienced throughout history and will continue until Jesus locks him up and rids the planet of sin and evil.

According to Ephesians, Galatians, and the Apocalypse,  et al Scripture,  the whole world / population except for the few/  are subject to hasatan.  i.e. all society IS pernicious (leading to death, on purpose,  trying to drag everyone everywhere down and keep them away from Jesus).

Perhaps similar to Balaam's way of getting Israel cursed by Yahuweh,   since he could not curse them himself, 

the enemy likewise has ways of getting people cursed by Yahuweh,   when he is prevented from harming us/them himself...  (by getting people to DO things that brings Yahuweh's curse upon them) ....

Note that in Scripture,  the Apocalypse,  hasatan is given power to martyr (kill) the saints (Ekklesia, set apart born again ones).

[RonaldBruno]

On 10/28/2019 at 10:03 AM, simplejeff said:

According to Ephesians, Galatians, and the Apocalypse,  et al Scripture,  the whole world / population except for the few/  are subject to hasatan.  i.e. all society IS pernicious (leading to death, on purpose,  trying to drag everyone everywhere down and keep them away from Jesus).

Perhaps similar to Balaam's way of getting Israel cursed by Yahuweh,   since he could not curse them himself, 

the enemy likewise has ways of getting people cursed by Yahuweh,   when he is prevented from harming us/them himself...  (by getting people to DO things that brings Yahuweh's curse upon them) ....

Note that in Scripture,  the Apocalypse,  hasatan is given power to martyr (kill) the saints (Ekklesia, set apart born again ones).

The entire ungodly/ unsaved world is subject to judgment. We can be persecuted and physically killed by Satan during the GT, but he can't touch our spirits. HOWEVER, reprobates are already cursed - we dont know who they are, but many, including Jews, have suffered and died apart from God and eternal salvation. Jesus cursed the Pharisees to their faces, "White washed tombs ... brood  of vipers ... who will save you from the Gehenna?" The Bible says during a reprobate's life, they have already been judged and get to a point in life where God let's them go to fulfill their wicked deeds. In essense, after being loving, gracious and giving them ample opportunitues to open the door to salvation, they continue to rebel and resist His free offer and so He says, Go ahead, have it your way.

[Justin Adams]

On 10/22/2019 at 2:28 AM, JoeCanada said:

We cannot and should not ignore the Septuagint version of Dan 9:27......

Interesting how they outlawed the Septuagint and replaced it with a doctored Masoretic device...

Modern Christian do not EVEN believe that Yeshua and his followers used the Septuagint... duhh.

The thick plottens... eels within wheels.. slippery deceivers... trust very little theology after about 200AD and ESPECIALLY not Augustine's. Ignore Calvin, Luther etc., as anyone that was overtly antisemitic cannot be trusted. Bad root = bad fruit.

[OldCoot]

On 10/22/2019 at 12:30 PM, Justin Adams said:

Yes, and where did they get this understanding from..? Not from reading tea-leaves but from higher beings that sinned greatly. Read Enoch 1; The Giants; the War Book of the Essenes and a lot of other inter-testament literature. It was not JUST mankind, but the offsprings of unhly unions that required remediation as well. They taught how to really sin properly.. and it is again happening. Yes today.

The Watchers brought the devastating horrors to earth. And something seems to be doing it again...

As in the days of Noah...

The Lord said that in the end, the giants would come forth from the earth to accomplish God's wrath upon the world.  The primary aspect of the days of Noah.  When Yeshua talked about the last days being like the the days of Noah, it involves a lot more than bad people. 

This is especially brought out in the translation of the Septuagint.

Isaiah 13:3 (NETS) It is I who instruct, and I lead them; and it is I who summon them.  Mighty ones [giants] come to fulfill my wrath, at the same time rejoicing and reviling.

Some argue from the post trib or similar portion that the believers must prepare to go thru the climatic times coming upon the earth.  I really don't think folks have any perception of what really is coming upon the earth.  I see the idea of UFO, Extraterrestrials, corrupt genetics, Nephilim (giants), etc and even I have to realize that I probably have not even scratched the surface on what is going to unleashed upon this planet.  The fear will be so great that, as Yeshua said, men's hearts would fail them.  Many folks will literally go into cardiac arrest when they see what is coming upon the earth.

[Justin Adams]

4 hours ago, OldCoot said:

I probably have not even scratched the surface

Again I agree. It is such a weird thing... to read Gen 6 and wonder at the perversity that caused God to feel He had to have a flood to cleanse most of the horrors. He retained a few (Noah et al) and of course Enoch, but sadly we see the evil again approaches. And it will make star wars and the lord of the rings look like a picnic in comparison.

Sadly that 'Sethite' view and much of the modified scripture has been used to inoculate us against such as the workings of the unpalatable truth. Augustine held sway over much of later theology. So we have a double issue here. How to first promote scriptural truth, and then what is likely to happen. All this double-speak is quite well planned and our jobs are cut out for us.

It will be very very bad. No giant elevator in the sky will come for us as preached to 'comfy' believers, so what is coming is just now being heralded by the 'ufo-et' crowd as a savior from the stars is going to bite us all very severely.

[Justin Adams]

The fact that there are only seven pages to this thread concerns me greatly. Are we all carried aways by the promise of current festivities that are anything but Godly? Surely some must know that the devices that are soon to be thrust upon us are far more important than quibbles about rapture theory and all the other inconsequential discourse. How do we get the believers to awaken to their senses and take a renewed hand in warning the unsaved of their peril and the coming deceptions that might overtake even the strongest among us. Too much disunity owing to theological disagreements takes center stage while the terrors are being honed in the wings.. I wish this thread were overloaded with questions and warnings so that all of us would be better informed and on the watchtower, keeping a faithful eye on developments. That is why God saw fit to give us His Words, so that we would be well armed and unafraid when these things come to pass. Will 'the days of Noah' revisited take us all by surprise??  I hope not...  

[other one]

well, I'm awake but after 16 years  I just want to make sure the truth is covered and let it go.....   nothing I've said in the past makes any real difference in the Sethites so I really get tired of arguing with them....    lay out the truth and if they don't want it....   well I don't have dusty feet about it.

[Alive]

14 minutes ago, other one said:

well, I'm awake but after 16 years  I just want to make sure the truth is covered and let it go.....   nothing I've said in the past makes any real difference in the Sethites so I really get tired of arguing with them....    lay out the truth and if they don't want it....   well I don't have dusty feet about it.

Explain Sethites please.

[other one]

8 hours ago, Alive said:

Explain Sethites please.

those who believe that the Sons of God in Genesis chapter six are the sons of Seth.