one.opinion Posted October 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.14 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, ARGOSY said: I'm just saying that all those species appeared in the Cambrian explosion, yet without any sign of fossil ancestry. You were recently presented with significant evidence to the contrary. Quote They were determined by scientists who specialize in dating rocks. Can you give precise reasons why you think the dates are wrong? Quote There are multiple reasons. That is a bit vague. Do you think you could elaborate a little? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,983 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 958 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2019 Sorry. Messed up the attributions. I'll fix it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 16, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,983 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 958 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 16, 2019 6 hours ago, ARGOSY said: There are multiple reasons. Since scientists accurately dated (using argon/argon methods) the eruption that buried Pompeii, it seems the reasons don't fit reality very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,983 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 958 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 23 hours ago, ARGOSY said: No I'm not, I'm just saying that all those species appeared in the Cambrian explosion, yet without any sign of fossil ancestry. Since then this earth has been continuously populated with life right through the dinosaur times and until today. It wasn't as if there was a break, then creation week. Except for all those complex multicellular organisms that lived before the Cambrian, including many early forms we see in the Cambrian. We see the gradual evolution of exoskeletons in the Ediacaran, for example. That's what the "small shelly fauna are: AN EARLY CAMBRIAN SMALL SHELLY FAUNA FROM AKSU—WUSHI REGION,XINJIANG Qian Jianxin and Xiao Bing(Institute of Geology,Xinjiang Bureau of Geology) A rich and diverse small shelly fauna is described from the Early Cambrian of Aksu—Wushi region,Xinjiang.The fauna occurs in the Yurtus Formation composed of dolomite and limestone.Stratigraphically the Yurtus Formation lies below the oldest eodiscid trilobite Shizhudiscus sugaitensis beds in this region and is,therefore,considered as pre-trilobite zone.Based on the faunal composition,the Yurtus Formation(with its fauna)is correlated with the lowest Cambrian Meishucun Stage in southwest China or the equi- valent horizons of the Talass Ala-Too and Minor Karatau region in USSR. The microfauna,all phosphatic in composition,contains a large number of taxonomically problematic forms as well as molluscs,sponge spicules hyoli- thids aud ostracods.Most of the taxa are described for the first time.The generic diagnoses of new taxa are given as follows: Phylum Mollusca Cuvier,1979 Class Monoplacophora Knight,1952 Order Cyrtonellida Horny,1963 Family Cyrtolitidae Miller,1889 Genus Porcaconus (gen.nov.) Type species Porcaconus xinjiangensis(gen,et sp.nov.)Pl.I,figs.2-4. Diagnosis.Small,univalved shell,bilaterally symmetrical.Apex small, aperture rounded or slightly eliptical with a nonsinuate margin.Shell plani- spiral with many strong longitudinal ridges running from apex to aperture. http://www.cnki.com.cn/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,983 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 958 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 23 hours ago, ARGOSY said: No I'm not, I'm just saying that all those species appeared in the Cambrian explosion, yet without any sign of fossil ancestry. Since then this earth has been continuously populated with life right through the dinosaur times and until today. It wasn't as if there was a break, then creation week. Except for all those complex multicellular organisms that lived before the Cambrian, including many early forms we see in the Cambrian. We see the gradual evolution of exoskeletons in the Ediacaran, for example. That's what the "small shelly fauna are: AN EARLY CAMBRIAN SMALL SHELLY FAUNA FROM AKSU—WUSHI REGION,XINJIANG Qian Jianxin and Xiao Bing(Institute of Geology,Xinjiang Bureau of Geology) A rich and diverse small shelly fauna is described from the Early Cambrian of Aksu—Wushi region,Xinjiang.The fauna occurs in the Yurtus Formation composed of dolomite and limestone.Stratigraphically the Yurtus Formation lies below the oldest eodiscid trilobite Shizhudiscus sugaitensis beds in this region and is,therefore,considered as pre-trilobite zone.Based on the faunal composition,the Yurtus Formation(with its fauna)is correlated with the lowest Cambrian Meishucun Stage in southwest China or the equi- valent horizons of the Talass Ala-Too and Minor Karatau region in USSR. The microfauna,all phosphatic in composition,contains a large number of taxonomically problematic forms as well as molluscs,sponge spicules hyoli- thids aud ostracods.Most of the taxa are described for the first time.The generic diagnoses of new taxa are given as follows: Phylum Mollusca Cuvier,1979 Class Monoplacophora Knight,1952 Order Cyrtonellida Horny,1963 Family Cyrtolitidae Miller,1889 Genus Porcaconus (gen.nov.) Type species Porcaconus xinjiangensis(gen,et sp.nov.)Pl.I,figs.2-4. Diagnosis.Small,univalved shell,bilaterally symmetrical.Apex small, aperture rounded or slightly eliptical with a nonsinuate margin.Shell plani- spiral with many strong longitudinal ridges running from apex to aperture. http://www.cnki.com.cn/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,983 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 958 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Journal of Paleontology Volume 61, Issue 3 May 1987 , pp. 425-438 A pre-trilobite shelly fauna from the White–Inyo region of eastern California and western Nevada Philip W. Signor (a1), Jeffrey F. Mount (a1) and Beth R. Onken (a1) DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0022336000028614 Published online by Cambridge University Press: 19 May 2016 Abstract A low-diversity shelly fauna occurs in the Deep Spring Formation of the White–Inyo Mountains of eastern California and in Esmeralda County, Nevada. Although poorly preserved, specimens can be recovered through acid digestion of the limestone matrix. The fauna is composed of three tubes of uncertain affinities and a hyolith. Nevadatubulus dunfeei n. gen. and sp., a distinctive, randomly curved and annulated tube, is abundant and far outnumbers the remaining three elements: Coleoloides inyoensis n. sp., Sinotubulites cienegensis McMenamin, and the hyolith Salanytheca sp. The original composition of the faunal elements appears to have been calcite or aragonite, but recrystallization has destroyed any ultrastructure. No phosphatic elements occur with the fauna nor have phosphatic fossils been recovered from the underlying Wyman and Reed Formations or the other members of the Deep Spring Formation. The fauna occurs 1,500 meters below the first trilobite body fossils and may be coeval with faunas from the basal Cambrian Tommotian Stage of the Siberian Platform. Wyattia, the only previously described pre-trilobite shelly fossil from the region, occurs in approximately the same stratigraphic interval but was not recovered in our samples. Edited October 17, 2019 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,676 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,234 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 17, 2019 The overcomplication to confuse for the simple comparative God gives in His Word of six literal days and sabbath in Exodus to that of the creation account should seal the deal... and does if your not trying to put your own twist of evolution into the mix.... You cannot be a Bible believer with authority of Scripture an be an evolution proponent also.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,983 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 958 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The overcomplication to confuse for the simple comparative God gives in His Word of six literal days and sabbath in Exodus to that of the creation account should seal the deal... and does if your not trying to put your own twist of evolution into the mix.... You cannot be a Bible believer with authority of Scripture an be an evolution proponent also.... Trying to revise scripture into a literal history is impossible, since the text itself says it's not so. Early Christians cited the impossibility of mornings and evenings before there was a sun to have them, as evidence. You cannot be a Bible believer with the authority of Scripture and be a YE creationist also. Edited October 17, 2019 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPassingThru Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,979 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 2,112 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 4:45 AM, The Barbarian said: They were determined by scientists who specialize in dating rocks. Can you give precise reasons why you think the dates are wrong? Yep sure can, ...back in the 80's a Christian group took some stalactites to be dated to various scientific labs that specialize in dating, ...their results was between 25 million and 150 million years ago, ...when asked where did they come from, ...their answer, ...get ready, ...from under the Washington Monument in Washington D. C.! Our pastor showed the newspaper clipping to us (150 people) one Sunday in Church, ...maybe you can search Google and find it if they haven't removed it from public view like they have with so much historical evidence that refutes their modern day agendas. Lord bless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 17, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,676 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,234 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Trying to revise scripture into a literal history is impossible, since the text itself says it's not so. Early Christians cited the impossibility of mornings and evenings before there was a sun to have them, as evidence. You cannot be a Bible believer with the authority of Scripture and be a YE creationist also. sorry but you did not even address my point in the post so... your quote of me is moot 1 hour ago, enoob57 said: The overcomplication to confuse for the simple comparative God gives in His Word of six literal days and sabbath in Exodus to that of the creation account should seal the deal... and does if your not trying to put your own twist of evolution into the mix.... You cannot be a Bible believer with authority of Scripture an be an evolution proponent also.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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